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Postby Mohawk on Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:33 pm

[s]spewie wrote on 18:29, 2nd Sep 2004:


Everyone who didn't know when Fres... oops... I meant 'Orientation Week'... was until you got the postcard(s), raise your hand...

nobody said it was easy



thats hardly a fair representation, sinner users are usually pretty clued up on what is happening, and we are a small population of st andrew's students and residents.

maybe you could stand outside the union asking the smae question during freshers week, but i suspect you will be doing what i'm doing and sitting inside getting rat arsed.



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i apologise to you all, but only mohawk is getting free drinks :P)
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Postby Mohawk on Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:40 pm

[s]spewie wrote on 18:29, 2nd Sep 2004:


Everyone who didn't know when Fres... oops... I meant 'Orientation Week'... was until you got the postcard(s), raise your hand...

nobody said it was easy



thats hardly a fair representation, sinner users are usually pretty clued up on what is happening, and we are a small population of st andrew's students and residents.

maybe you could stand outside the union asking the smae question during freshers week, but i suspect you will be doing what i'm doing and sitting inside getting rat arsed.



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i apologise to you all, but only mohawk is getting free drinks :P)
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Postby Prophet Tenebrae on Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:44 pm

Won't you be working hard as a volunteer?
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Postby Mohawk on Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:11 pm

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 18:44, 2nd Sep 2004:
Won't you be working hard as a volunteer?


can't a guy have a little Relaxation time?

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i apologise to you all, but only mohawk is getting free drinks :P)
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Postby Guest on Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:02 pm

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 13:02, 2nd Sep 2004:
So let's see... maybe 6,000 cards, at maybe 3p each? That would be £180.


Not forgetting postage: say 25p a card *5,500 students. We're talking enough money to have given every freshers a free pint at the bar.


Nothing on the postcard couldn't have been said in an email.

What a waste. Again.
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Postby spewie on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:13 pm

[quote]We're talking enough money to have given every freshers a free pint at the bar.[endquote]

Wouldn't that be encouraging alcohol abuse! NOOOOOO! [end sarcasm]

Did the postcards get sent further afield than the UK?
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Postby Students Association on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:21 pm

[s]spewie wrote on 22:13, 2nd Sep 2004:
Did the postcards get sent further afield than the UK?


Yes. A postcard was sent to EVERY student.
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Postby amac on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:24 pm

When the Strathclyde University Union has special offers - 40p for a pint of Carling one time - there doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

I went to the wrong university :(
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Postby Mohawk on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:48 pm

[s]amac wrote on 22:24, 2nd Sep 2004:
When the Strathclyde University Union has special offers - 40p for a pint of Carling one time - there doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

I went to the wrong university :(


strathclyde university is larger than st andrews ( i think) and there is possibly less competition from other pubs

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Postby Prophet Tenebrae on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:49 pm

And?
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Postby Haunted on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:58 pm

Yes, cheaper drinks
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Postby spewie on Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:58 pm

[s]Students' Association wrote on 17:07, 2nd Sep 2004:
Last year, we spent £2590 on posting packs to a fraction of the freshers (only those in the UK). This year, EVERYONE has been given information on how to find out what's going on, for much less!


Much less? According to the 'UK Postage Costs', found here; http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephanie.thomas/Ebay/

...it costs, 21p to send a postcard anywhere in the UK, including the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

Given...

However, according to the RoyalMail website, http://www.royalmail.com/ , it costs 39p to send a postcard to the US.

I'm not going to begin to try and proportion the exact costs, but just say we take an *average* cost of 35p per postcard, and multiply by say 6000 students, giving us a *total* of £2100.

The costs do come into it in a big way, however, one critical factor when sending out a postcard to 'inform ignorant students about orientation', is that it arrives on time.

*Assuming* that all postcards were sent out on the 30th of August using surface mail (the cheaper option), as my 'TWO' were, that would give RoyalMail only 2 weeks to 'surface mail' them to the US and Europe, in order to let the poor students know when to come back.

This is flawed.

"We aim to deliver Surface mail within two weeks to Western Europe, four weeks to Eastern Europe, and eight weeks to the rest of the world"

It can take as long as 8 (EIGHT) weeks to deliver a postcard to the US, so most American students won't receive their postcards until they go back home, probably over the Xmas period.

So, bottom line, a lot of money has been wasted and "EVERYONE" has NOT been given information to find out what's going on, and NOT for MUCH less either.

Open to debate :)
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Postby Mr Comedy on Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:07 pm

Back onto punchbowls, aren't they great?
I might gatecrash the old Melville for some punch and giggles. When I was Ents Rep (way, way back in 2nd year), I made the cocktails in the Shoppe, and conducted some extensive sampling. After about half an hour, I couldn't even see. Wonderful!

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Postby Mohawk on Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:07 pm

[s]spewie wrote on 22:58, 2nd Sep 2004:
[insert all the things he said here]


are you measuring bus timetables for the council? :)

(jammy sod, wish i had a job i could drive around in a car for)


by the way, your invited to ye olde DRA flat warming, with me, Louis and (Scottish) Andrew
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Postby Students Association on Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:49 pm

The postcards were sent out on Thursday 26th.

Overseas postcards were sent via airmail.

US students have received their cards already.

Less money has been spent on postage this year than previous years.

If you have any more questions, please either email union@st-and.ac.uk or phone 01334 462700
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Postby someone on Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:32 am

[s]Students' Association wrote on 00:49, 3rd Sep 2004:
The postcards were sent out on Thursday 26th.

Overseas postcards were sent via airmail.

US students have received their cards already.

Less money has been spent on postage this year than previous years.

If you have any more questions, please either email union@st-and.ac.uk or phone 01334 462700


Bow down to your androgynous, plural, mass-postcard-mailing Students' Association... you know, the one with a Sinner account!

The conversation after my mom picked up the mail was a bit odd. She thought I'd mailed myself junk mail, or something like that, and was prepared to castigate me for it. Plus, since I have a little sister at St Andrews, she and I both got one.

"The Students' Association... Preston, don't you have something to do with that?"
"Yes, Mom."
"Did you have anything to do with these?"
"No, Mom."
"Are you going to go to this thing?"
"No, Mom."
"Oh. Well, the card is kind of cute..."


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Re:

Postby niall on Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:58 am

[s]amac wrote on 22:24, 2nd Sep 2004:
When the Strathclyde University Union has special offers - 40p for a pint of Carling one time - there doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

I went to the wrong university :(


this sort of thing is being licensed out. new bills coming in state minimum prices for drinks, Dunde ehas already been affected, and AFAIK its started in glasgow, so things like 40p drinks will be no more.


[s]Mohawk wrote on 22:48, 2nd Sep 2004:

strathclyde university is larger than st andrews ( i think) and there is possibly less competition from other pubs



its ever so slightly larger (10 floors of venues), but there is more competition from pubs (and clubs) this is glasgow city centre for crying out loud!! there is a cream pub the street down, its two minutes walk from george square.


oh and if your interested in the big names that other uni's attract, lets have a look at strathclyde:

(Victor from BB, hugh lennon and hypnodog, girls aloud, comedy, red hot chilli peppers TRIBUTE band, dirty snachez) http://www.strathstudents.com/

or the QMU (one of the GLasgow unions)
http://www.qmu.org.uk/news/fullnews.php?id=58
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Re:

Postby mottthehoople on Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:26 am

IM SPARTACUS
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Re:

Postby Mohawk on Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:46 am

cheers Niall, needed some local Knowledge on the argument,

Edinburgh Uni is also putting up a similarly poor line up,

just been speaking to someone organising it,

the events list can be found HERE:

http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/freshers/evening.html

(remember Edinburgh has serveral Union venues)

in balance i think we haven't done too badly.



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Postby Rilla on Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:24 pm

Did the postcards get sent further afield than the UK?
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yes - my parents told me i had a postcard from st andrews at home (dublin) even though i live here in halls all summer so they could have sent it internally instead of overseas. hmm, i wont even get to see this famous postcard probably ever. i feel im missing out now. can i have another one?
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