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[s]Steveo wrote on 13:31, 28th Oct 2004:
[s]tordenskjold wrote on 12:05, 28th Oct 2004:[i]


What use is that in the world though, considering how many IR graduates are being churned out?

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Well we can all talk to each other about the Cuban Missile Crisis..... also everybody needs an IR student/graduate to make their life complete.

On the other side of the coin, I am a languages student which will prepare me very nicely for holidays to Europe where I can discuss the finer points of French Poetry.

[the-enemy]

as a maths and physics student, i must say that on the surface there are degrees which appear worthless and easy when compared with my workload, but who cares? I chose to do my subject, you chose to do yours, the people who chose art history chose to do that. better that you enjoy what you are doing that bitch and moan cos "ooh, i do 25 more hours per week than you" or "my degree is better than yours". if, at the end of the day you find it easier to get a job because you chose a more applicable degree, then great, but just accept that your justification for being here may be different to that of someone who is studying one of the "less worthwhile" degrees.

[Miz Manda]

[s]Steveo wrote on 13:31, 28th Oct 2004:
[s]tordenskjold wrote on 12:05, 28th Oct 2004:[i]


What use is that in the world though, considering how many IR graduates are being churned out?

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Exactly. There's also the fact that as interesting as I find my subject, I have observed that careers relating directly to IR are fairly scarce.


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[s]the Empress wrote on 23:07, 27th Oct 2004:
If you study a science, and don't like it, what's the point of putting yourself through 4 years of hell? To get yourself a job in an area you hate, making your life miserable forever?


I do not see the relevance of this point as it would apply to all people regardless of their faculty.

In "defending" arts subjects there is no need to make it look like all or most science people hate their subject just because it is hard and there is no obligation to work solely in your own field with a science degree. Maths for example is one of the versatile degrees to have when it comes to choosing your field or work.

And again no one said a science degree would be more relevant than an arts degree, just that over a wider range of "general" jobs a science degree does look more impressive. Both degree holders show that from having a degree they possess the right skills in terms of all that has been discussed (analytical thinking, presentation etc etc) but in addition has the intelligence and stamina to have achieved a science degree which usually is a lot more demanding, physically and mentally. Whether or not this is the case because generally it is seen to be true it is often the case that it is seen to be the truth (especially if your employer has a science degree obv!). Now while applying for the job of journalist an arts graduate will get the job, applying for a managerial position is a whole different thing (ps social sciences don' count as arts subjects in more employers eyes so no shouting of "management, economics" ).

However no discussion on over all what faculty is better to have graduated from will ever work as there is no "over all" job, people get over defensive and before you know where you are science students are bashing arts students with books while arts students scream that they work just as hard as those with 3 hour labs 5 days a week.

Wait til you graduate, get a job and form your own opinion whatever it may be!

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[s]jennyo wrote on 00:13, 28th Oct 2004:
but some people study subjects because they enjoy them, not because they present the most secure job prospects.



In that case you have answered the original posters question: "how do degrees in things like art history, philosophy, history, latin, english etc etc will help you in getting a job? i cannot see how they will possibly help."

But I would appreciate if others would not refer to more vocational degrees as "job training" simply because they do mean you are more likely to get a secure/well paid job. A maths degree does not equal "job training" and nor come to that does a computer science degree or any of the other sciences. Any of these degrees opens up a multitude of diiferent employment choices and *shock horror* many people enjoy learning more about their science subject. Just because they have difficult sums and less essays does not make them any less educational or enjoyable. Just thought I'd point that out because I hate it when people defend their own degree or faculty by slurring others.

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[s]the Empress wrote on 23:07, 27th Oct 2004:
History students are one of the most employed graduates. I study history primarily because I'm interested and like to be around people who don't glaze over when I talk about it. If you study a science, and don't like it, what's the point of putting yourself through 4 years of hell? To get yourself a job in an area you hate, making your life miserable forever?




At least the job will provide food on the table, as well as paying bills etc. thats the most important thing, right?

[the Empress]

[s]Unregisted User wrote on 23:18, 27th Oct 2004:
[s]the Empress wrote on 23:07, 27th Oct 2004:[i]
If you study a science, and don't like it, what's the point of putting yourself through 4 years of hell? To get yourself a job in an area you hate, making your life miserable forever?


I do not see the relevance of this point as it would apply to all people regardless of their faculty.

In "defending" arts subjects there is no need to make it look like all or most science people hate their subject just because it is hard and there is no obligation to work solely in your own field with a science degree.
Wait til you graduate, get a job and form your own opinion whatever it may be!
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I never implied that all science students hate their degree, or are more likely to hate their degree than Arts students- just made the point that it's pointless choosing a science degree on the premise that it is more likely to get a job if your real interest is History or English, etc. It would just make you miserable.

[md25]

Oh great, another Arts vs Science slag-off! While we're at why don't we compare dads like the finest of five-year-olds?

[mottthehoople]

My advice "Drop out". Get a job where there is a constant battle of wits with you and your witless boss and the most satisfying aspect of your chosen career is cleaning shit up after everyone.

I blame the government, as they want eighty percent of school leavers to enter into University, and stats have shown that only 20% of school leavers are capable of studying at Uni. The amount of people gaining degree's nowadays is making the stature of recieving one obsolete.

The GOV should put more money into courses such as trades, as thier is more of a chance of geting a job.

Soon thier will be no one to fix your sink but plenty people who could tell you about the history of 200 years ago. This will eventualy render society useless.

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How does that quote go: "Find a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life"? something like that? Same for degrees I think.

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[s]the Empress wrote on 11:33, 29th Oct 2004:
I never implied that all science students hate their degree, or are more likely to hate their degree than Arts students- just made the point that it's pointless choosing a science degree on the premise that it is more likely to get a job if your real interest is History or English, etc. It would just make you miserable.


Well apologies but that point was not clear. Thank you for clarifying. I have to say though I do not know many/any people studying any degree because of what job chances it gives. Some study a particular degree because it opens up a specific job but I don't see that as being the same thing.

Everyone I know is doing their degree because they enjoy the subject (except from the million people that seem to hate psychology with a passion).