[s]Manic23 wrote on 11:25, 13th Nov 2004:
[s]novium wrote on 23:12, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
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Whilst Women may have to undergo the indignities of Childbirth, PMT and Pap Smears, There is one word that surpasses all of these in terms of pain and humiliation, and is guarenteed to strike fear into the heart of any man (though I believe they are used on Women also).
Catheter
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yes, they also use them on women.
I don't think it can even begin to compare to those other things.
You may have had a better chance with the whole prostate exam thing, but I still don't think it'll make women pity the men:)
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by KateBush on Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:00 pm
[s]Manic23 wrote on 11:25, 13th Nov 2004:
[s]novium wrote on 23:12, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
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Whilst Women may have to undergo the indignities of Childbirth, PMT and Pap Smears, There is one word that surpasses all of these in terms of pain and humiliation, and is guarenteed to strike fear into the heart of any man (though I believe they are used on Women also).
Catheter
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Oh god, you just have to mention that to me and I faint...even the thought of it! I might be having catheter ablation on my heart but I can request to have the rod put in through my neck or arm instead of the groin. Even just the word...god, I can't even type it. just....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
And I am shocked by the feedback too, Rae! I think it shows how narrowminded people are, and how much we have all just become accustomed to accepting the unacceptable!
I went back to hospital today (I should point out that this is an English hospital, and not 9wells)...and was told that I'd had my foot put in entirely the wrong cast. They had to reset it and it hurt me so much I needed gas and air. And I STILL passed out. Two doctors yesterday failed to notice that not only did I break my foot, but I also sprained my ankle:(
STUPID NHS! It needs a complete overhaul.
Stupid people on this board too...instead of attacking Rae for pointing out inadequacies in our health service, why not attack the bastards who let people die left, right and centre. Why not attack the medical staff at my local hospital who forget about basic hygiene to the extent that 11 wards have been closed due to the NOrwalk Virus? Or the people who think it's ok for you to wait to see a cardiologist even if you fall and crack your head open?! If people got lary with the idiots responsible for this mess, instead of someone who points it out, then more improvements could be made
[s]novium wrote on 23:12, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
[s]Manic23 wrote on 21:36, 12th Nov 2004:[i]
Thank Jesus I'm a bloke
Don't guys eventually have, whatchamacallits, ah, too jet lagged to think of the name. Something that sounds just as bad?
[/i]
Whilst Women may have to undergo the indignities of Childbirth, PMT and Pap Smears, There is one word that surpasses all of these in terms of pain and humiliation, and is guarenteed to strike fear into the heart of any man (though I believe they are used on Women also).
Catheter
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Oh god, you just have to mention that to me and I faint...even the thought of it! I might be having catheter ablation on my heart but I can request to have the rod put in through my neck or arm instead of the groin. Even just the word...god, I can't even type it. just....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
And I am shocked by the feedback too, Rae! I think it shows how narrowminded people are, and how much we have all just become accustomed to accepting the unacceptable!
I went back to hospital today (I should point out that this is an English hospital, and not 9wells)...and was told that I'd had my foot put in entirely the wrong cast. They had to reset it and it hurt me so much I needed gas and air. And I STILL passed out. Two doctors yesterday failed to notice that not only did I break my foot, but I also sprained my ankle:(
STUPID NHS! It needs a complete overhaul.
Stupid people on this board too...instead of attacking Rae for pointing out inadequacies in our health service, why not attack the bastards who let people die left, right and centre. Why not attack the medical staff at my local hospital who forget about basic hygiene to the extent that 11 wards have been closed due to the NOrwalk Virus? Or the people who think it's ok for you to wait to see a cardiologist even if you fall and crack your head open?! If people got lary with the idiots responsible for this mess, instead of someone who points it out, then more improvements could be made
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by Nell on Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:42 pm
with regards to the whole three year thing. This is not deffinate. If they find your cells completly healthy then they will recomend you have a test in 3 years time. However if they find any sort of abnormalites they recomend another at any time span from your next cycle, 6 months, or a year. So obviously they are taking into consideration the fact that things can change in less than three years, but they can also tell whether or not they are likley to so whether it is worth their time and yours giving you antother smear before the 3 year period.
To those that have said theyre too scared to go, please dont be. Its a really important test to get done, no matter how often, and its not anywhere near as bad as you think. The nurses are really friendly and really put you at ease, and the actual procedure is over very shortly. so dont be scared, nd do go, take care of yourselves!
To those that have said theyre too scared to go, please dont be. Its a really important test to get done, no matter how often, and its not anywhere near as bad as you think. The nurses are really friendly and really put you at ease, and the actual procedure is over very shortly. so dont be scared, nd do go, take care of yourselves!
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by Setsuna on Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:24 pm
Catheter
Dont catheters usually come through the abdomen? All the ones i have seem have. Catheters do look awful tho, the wound never heals so long as the catheter is in place, urine crystallises in it, bags have to be emptied...
I always found it really odd pouring someone elses urine down the toilet. A bit like peeing on their behalf.
Bizarre. I worked as a carer, btw. In case you think catheters are a hobby of mine.
Just to clear things up. I can think of more novel, painful ways to insert one tho. Im glad im not a man.
Dont catheters usually come through the abdomen? All the ones i have seem have. Catheters do look awful tho, the wound never heals so long as the catheter is in place, urine crystallises in it, bags have to be emptied...
I always found it really odd pouring someone elses urine down the toilet. A bit like peeing on their behalf.
Bizarre. I worked as a carer, btw. In case you think catheters are a hobby of mine.
Just to clear things up. I can think of more novel, painful ways to insert one tho. Im glad im not a man.
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by novium on Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:38 pm
[s]Setsuna wrote on 14:24, 13th Nov 2004:
[i]Catheter
Dont catheters usually come through the abdomen? All the ones i have seem have. Catheters do look awful tho, the wound never heals so long as the catheter is in place, urine crystallises in it, bags have to be emptied...
I always found it really odd pouring someone elses urine down the toilet. A bit like peeing on their behalf.
Bizarre. I worked as a carer, btw. In case you think catheters are a hobby of mine.
Just to clear things up. I can think of more novel, painful ways to insert one tho. Im glad im not a man.
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Peeing by proxy. What a funny way to look at it! it cracked me up:)
Wound? I thought urinary catheters were inserted basically the same way for both sexes? (that is, up the area in question?)
[i]Catheter
Dont catheters usually come through the abdomen? All the ones i have seem have. Catheters do look awful tho, the wound never heals so long as the catheter is in place, urine crystallises in it, bags have to be emptied...
I always found it really odd pouring someone elses urine down the toilet. A bit like peeing on their behalf.
Bizarre. I worked as a carer, btw. In case you think catheters are a hobby of mine.
Just to clear things up. I can think of more novel, painful ways to insert one tho. Im glad im not a man.
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Peeing by proxy. What a funny way to look at it! it cracked me up:)
Wound? I thought urinary catheters were inserted basically the same way for both sexes? (that is, up the area in question?)
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by Setsuna on Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:10 pm
[s]novium wrote on 14:38, 13th Nov 2004:
Peeing by proxy. What a funny way to look at it! it cracked me up:)
Wound? I thought urinary catheters were inserted basically the same way for both sexes? (that is, up the area in question?)
Peeing by Proxy - good way of putting it. It just occured to me how odd it was when a colleague knocked on the door to ask if i was finished. Found myself protesting that it wasnt MY urine...
The catheters i have seen go straight out the abdomen, rather than out the 'bits', so to speak. 2 or 3 inches below the navel. mind you, i think this is a fairly major operation, so i imagine that catheters can be inserted in all sorts of novel places in the short term.
Any medics know?
Peeing by proxy. What a funny way to look at it! it cracked me up:)
Wound? I thought urinary catheters were inserted basically the same way for both sexes? (that is, up the area in question?)
Peeing by Proxy - good way of putting it. It just occured to me how odd it was when a colleague knocked on the door to ask if i was finished. Found myself protesting that it wasnt MY urine...
The catheters i have seen go straight out the abdomen, rather than out the 'bits', so to speak. 2 or 3 inches below the navel. mind you, i think this is a fairly major operation, so i imagine that catheters can be inserted in all sorts of novel places in the short term.
Any medics know?
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by KateBush on Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:18 pm
I've read that for catheter ablation to my heart I can have it put into my neck or my groin or my arm...It's to put a rod up to the heart and solder off a bit of weird circuitry or something.
And no, i'm not a medic.
And no, i'm not a medic.
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by JP Patches on Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:25 pm
Setsuna, I think you’re talking about suprapubic catheters which are generally used when there’s some problem with the urethra and I think they’re usually inserted by a urologist. On the other hand, patients can be taught to insert their own urethral catheters at home. I don’t think I’d be very stoked about having any kind of urinary cath though!
KateBush, just out of curiosity, what kind of arrhythmia do you have? (You don’t have to say if you don’t want to, but I just got a new cardiology book and so am interested in such things at the moment).
Edited: Why do I make such stupid spelling errors?
KateBush, just out of curiosity, what kind of arrhythmia do you have? (You don’t have to say if you don’t want to, but I just got a new cardiology book and so am interested in such things at the moment).
Edited: Why do I make such stupid spelling errors?
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by Happy-Go-Lucky on Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:44 pm
I really wish I wasn't munching a prawn sandwich when I decided to read this thread.
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by LonelyPilgrim on Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:57 am
Does it really matter so much that it was *prawn* sandwich? I would think this thread would be rather de-appetizing no matter what you were eating.
As for catheters... yes, they are run through the abdomen for long term use, or even medium term use, I suppose. However, I can personally assure you that they also run them up the 'bits' as someone else put it.
And blokes from the UK might like to know that if you ever have to go to hospital in the States, we are quite fond of urine samples. I've never had one taken here, so I'm assuming you aren't quite so keen on them... Anyway, if you can't voluntarily deliver a sample, they often will take one with a catheter.
Lesson - drink loads of water before going to hospital...
As for catheters... yes, they are run through the abdomen for long term use, or even medium term use, I suppose. However, I can personally assure you that they also run them up the 'bits' as someone else put it.
And blokes from the UK might like to know that if you ever have to go to hospital in the States, we are quite fond of urine samples. I've never had one taken here, so I'm assuming you aren't quite so keen on them... Anyway, if you can't voluntarily deliver a sample, they often will take one with a catheter.
Lesson - drink loads of water before going to hospital...
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by Gubbins on Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:42 pm
A couple of randomly related medical factoids:
1) Kidney stones apparently hurt more than childbirth (overheard from someone who had to endure both - and yes, they stick a catheter the size of a pencil "up your bits").
2) Once you have had said catheter "up your bits", you apparently pee like a donkey.
1) Kidney stones apparently hurt more than childbirth (overheard from someone who had to endure both - and yes, they stick a catheter the size of a pencil "up your bits").
2) Once you have had said catheter "up your bits", you apparently pee like a donkey.
...then again, that is only my opinion.
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by Cain on Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:50 pm
[s]Gubbins wrote on 16:42, 14th Nov 2004:
2) Once you have had said catheter "up your bits", you apparently pee like a donkey.
in a field?
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2) Once you have had said catheter "up your bits", you apparently pee like a donkey.
in a field?
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by Newty on Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:04 pm
[s]LonelyPilgrim wrote on 01:57, 14th Nov 2004:
And blokes from the UK might like to know that if you ever have to go to hospital in the States, we are quite fond of urine samples. I've never had one taken here, so I'm assuming you aren't quite so keen on them...
I believe it's a general difference in systems of diagnosis. Docs here are trained to be more handy with basic clinical tests, palpation, using stethoscopes etc. While the American system prefers greater reliance on technology. You can argue it's differences in funding or simply practicing 'defensive medicine' - i.e. making sure your diagnosis is bulletproof incase your patient turns around and sues you.
And blokes from the UK might like to know that if you ever have to go to hospital in the States, we are quite fond of urine samples. I've never had one taken here, so I'm assuming you aren't quite so keen on them...
I believe it's a general difference in systems of diagnosis. Docs here are trained to be more handy with basic clinical tests, palpation, using stethoscopes etc. While the American system prefers greater reliance on technology. You can argue it's differences in funding or simply practicing 'defensive medicine' - i.e. making sure your diagnosis is bulletproof incase your patient turns around and sues you.
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by Manic23 on Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:30 pm
[s]Gubbins wrote on 16:42, 14th Nov 2004:
1) Kidney stones apparently hurt more than childbirth (overheard from someone who had to endure both - and yes, they stick a catheter the size of a pencil "up your bits").
I can vouch for this, having suffered from them previously. The only thing that I can compare them to that describes just how bloody painful they are is if you can imagine pissing razorblades.
Plus the actual kidney itself hurts like fuck.
Then again, I never have (or intend to)give birth, so I can't really comment.
1) Kidney stones apparently hurt more than childbirth (overheard from someone who had to endure both - and yes, they stick a catheter the size of a pencil "up your bits").
I can vouch for this, having suffered from them previously. The only thing that I can compare them to that describes just how bloody painful they are is if you can imagine pissing razorblades.
Plus the actual kidney itself hurts like fuck.
Then again, I never have (or intend to)give birth, so I can't really comment.
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by HezBez on Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:43 am
Anyone else find the St Andrews hospital absolutely appauling? During freshers week my friend was extremely ill, she'd had surgery this year and was extremely weak from it but the nurse just did not care - it seemed we were being a nuisance by the fact we needed help.
We went up there countless times during the night throughout the week. She didn't seem to want to believe us when we tried to tell her it wasn't just a 'freshers flu' type of thing.
At one point the nurse was quite obviously trying to make me feel guilty for calling, talking in a very tired voice, and telling me "She's not actually got much wrong with her, has she?" How the hell am I supposed to know, YOU'RE the nurse here, and I think someone who finds it hard to breath, won't eat, keeps being sick, can't sleep, has a fever, etc etc etc, definately DOES have something wrong with them.
Thankfully the doctors' surgery isn't so bad and my friend got plenty of tests and prescriptions from there and is getting better, but you never know what could have happened. Anyone else experienced crap service from the St Andrews Hospital?
We went up there countless times during the night throughout the week. She didn't seem to want to believe us when we tried to tell her it wasn't just a 'freshers flu' type of thing.
At one point the nurse was quite obviously trying to make me feel guilty for calling, talking in a very tired voice, and telling me "She's not actually got much wrong with her, has she?" How the hell am I supposed to know, YOU'RE the nurse here, and I think someone who finds it hard to breath, won't eat, keeps being sick, can't sleep, has a fever, etc etc etc, definately DOES have something wrong with them.
Thankfully the doctors' surgery isn't so bad and my friend got plenty of tests and prescriptions from there and is getting better, but you never know what could have happened. Anyone else experienced crap service from the St Andrews Hospital?
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by Prophet Tenebrae on Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:33 am
This is a hospital that is closed about 90% of the time you'd probably need it - isn't that really a sign of its quality? But really for a town with 15,000 people we're pretty lucky to have anything more than a place that sticks bandaids on you.
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by mossop on Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:48 am
St Andrews hospital is hilarious. I went there once. Hopefully wont have to go back.
I'd been doing some training and had managed to hurt myself, so as you do, you go to the hospital to see about getting an x-ray etc. I was asked "Do you have an appointment?"
What a stupid fucking question! "Why yes, actually, I was planning on breaking my hand today"
They refused to give me an xray and sent me home, and the pain never went away, so I went to the doctor who didn't properly examine my hand and sent me home too.
At Christmas (about 2 months after I'd injured myself) I went to my doctor at home and they examined it properly, I got an xray that day and it turned out I'd damaged some of the ligaments in my thumb, which had been made worse because nothing had been done about it when it happened.
So thanks Fife NHS. I must remember to book an appointment in advance of every training session I have....
I'd been doing some training and had managed to hurt myself, so as you do, you go to the hospital to see about getting an x-ray etc. I was asked "Do you have an appointment?"
What a stupid fucking question! "Why yes, actually, I was planning on breaking my hand today"
They refused to give me an xray and sent me home, and the pain never went away, so I went to the doctor who didn't properly examine my hand and sent me home too.
At Christmas (about 2 months after I'd injured myself) I went to my doctor at home and they examined it properly, I got an xray that day and it turned out I'd damaged some of the ligaments in my thumb, which had been made worse because nothing had been done about it when it happened.
So thanks Fife NHS. I must remember to book an appointment in advance of every training session I have....
24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a crate. Coincidence? I think not.
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by KateBush on Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:20 pm
St Andrews Memorial is actually a first aid box with people in it. All they do, to quote someone else's words is stick plasters on people.
But most of the doctors are usually quite nice there. It's just they don't really have a lot of facilities to do anything...
Far worse than that is Ninewells, also affectionately known as NineHells. I was admitted there a good six or seven times last Autumn with searing abdominal pains that morphine didn't touch, and bleeding from my digestive tract. They kept just sending me to the surgical wards instead of letting me speak to a gastroenterologist, and then sending me home. In the end I lost the semester (as many will remembewr from my rants at that time)...I kept saying I thought it was something I was eating, yet only when i travelled home to Bristol and saw a nutritional therapist privately did I discover that I was actually intolerant to wheat, yeast, sugar and dairy products after a course of anti biotics had killed off certain enzymes in my gut. As soon as I cut these foods out, my symtoms totally disappeared.
National Health SErvice? More like National HELL service.
I am missing another semester (sorry if I'm repeating myself to those of you who know all this, but it's relevant) now because I'm fainting everywhere and have fainted badly on my foot, fracturing it. My GP thinks it's a cardiac cause, but can I get seens within a YEAR on the NHS? Nope, I'm having to go private. and because my poor parents are paying through the nose for it, i'm able to see a consultant cardiologist today, and we only made the appointment on Friday.
It really is a sickening state of affairs. Someone needs to totally overhaul the system. My old deputy headmistress is married to the former Chairman of the BMA, and even he, last time I spoke to him, told me how absolutely appalled he is with the standards of care and treatment in this country. If that's what HIS experience of the NHS is, what hope do the rest of us have?
doesn't bode well...
But most of the doctors are usually quite nice there. It's just they don't really have a lot of facilities to do anything...
Far worse than that is Ninewells, also affectionately known as NineHells. I was admitted there a good six or seven times last Autumn with searing abdominal pains that morphine didn't touch, and bleeding from my digestive tract. They kept just sending me to the surgical wards instead of letting me speak to a gastroenterologist, and then sending me home. In the end I lost the semester (as many will remembewr from my rants at that time)...I kept saying I thought it was something I was eating, yet only when i travelled home to Bristol and saw a nutritional therapist privately did I discover that I was actually intolerant to wheat, yeast, sugar and dairy products after a course of anti biotics had killed off certain enzymes in my gut. As soon as I cut these foods out, my symtoms totally disappeared.
National Health SErvice? More like National HELL service.
I am missing another semester (sorry if I'm repeating myself to those of you who know all this, but it's relevant) now because I'm fainting everywhere and have fainted badly on my foot, fracturing it. My GP thinks it's a cardiac cause, but can I get seens within a YEAR on the NHS? Nope, I'm having to go private. and because my poor parents are paying through the nose for it, i'm able to see a consultant cardiologist today, and we only made the appointment on Friday.
It really is a sickening state of affairs. Someone needs to totally overhaul the system. My old deputy headmistress is married to the former Chairman of the BMA, and even he, last time I spoke to him, told me how absolutely appalled he is with the standards of care and treatment in this country. If that's what HIS experience of the NHS is, what hope do the rest of us have?
doesn't bode well...
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by Guest on Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:59 pm
[s]rae wrote on 00:53, 13th Nov 2004:
It all just seems very strange to me - the idea of having to go to a special womens clinic, or to basically have to kick and scream for treatment that is routine in other countries.
You don't have to "kick and scream" just ring up and make an appointment specific to what you want! It's perfectly simple.
It all just seems very strange to me - the idea of having to go to a special womens clinic, or to basically have to kick and scream for treatment that is routine in other countries.
You don't have to "kick and scream" just ring up and make an appointment specific to what you want! It's perfectly simple.
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