i need urgent advice on fighting (as in fist fighting)

[Guest]

someone's been constantly pissing me off by taunting at me and treating me as an easy target, that it's driving me up the wall that i just want to confront the bastard and stand my ground. problem is, i never fought in my entire life! i would therefore like some advice on what's the best way to go when going into a fight with someone, as well as any good fighting moves and techniques (punching, kicking and other devastating moves). this guy has gone too far and i just have this need to confront him if he does it again because he's pushed my blood pressure through the roof!

help! thanks

some guy

[Jellybaby]

if you throw the first punch, u're the one that will be in trouble.

if he antagonizes you, do the same to him.

[flossy]

Thumb on outside of fist, not concealed or you'll break it if you hit hard.

Never hit first. Feign injury after the first blow and then run at the guy.

One arm should be used to guard at all times. Flying fists just aren't effective.

Bite only if sure your opponent doesn't have rabies.

[Bobamuntung]

For about a yearish now I've been looking for a partner to learn how to fight with. The shit you learn martial arts classes is ok, but doesnt really bear any relation to the down n dirty you'd be up against in a bar/ the street etc.

If you, or for that matter anyone, fancies some friendly Fight Club style action to improve their self defence gimme a buzz.

I'm not a psycho, I dont want people to beat up, I just want to learn. I'll say one thing - black eyes/ broken noses hurt like fuck but if you can manage to learn not to go down / chicken out because of it you're in a much safer position. Thats all I'm talking about - `friendly stop when you say mercy` kinda thing. What do peeps reckon?



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Bill Hicks.

[davearnie]

to be honest with you mate, if you have never been in a fight then be very careful , this guy may have been in fights before.

You on the other hand have never been hit or anything and wouldnt know how to take a punch, he could hit you on the nose or something and you might just go down and it be over.

However fighting is not the answer - only as a last resort if you are in physical danger. Why dont you try talking to this guy first and sortin it out.

We are not animals you know!

[enola48]

However fighting is not the answer - only as a last resort if you are in physical danger. Why dont you try talking to this guy first and sortin it out.

This guy is right! How about going to talk to Student Support? They can do a mediation between the two of you so that you don't have to go hitting each other! It would probably be better for both of you to sort it out without having hit each other.

[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

Sun Tzu said something about the greatest victory being in avoiding the war.

buy a gun

[big_phil]

find a mate bigger than him

[Slash wannabe]

Bobamuntung:

Fight club would be great! I'd love to get the practice - without the extreme pain and injuries the film has. If your thinking about starting one give me a shout. You can email me through my profile.

To the starter of the thread:

I would agree with others on talking to the guy. Just ask him what his problem is and if its unsolvable then wait a while until another occurance and if it happens again strike him when he doesnt expect it.

I would disagree with some other posts on not hitting first. If you strike someone when they are not expecting it , it has much greater effect than waiting to be attacked.

Hitting someones jaw closed when they are speaking is a very effective solution as it can hit the tongue. Alternatively if you have the space, a blow to the side of the face just where the lower jaw connects to the skull can be enough to dislocate the jaw if they have their mouth open. If you are even considering these techinques you'll need to practice them these are not things that you can just pull off during fight time.

These methods may seem harsh and might end up in court cases afterwards but this person will never bother you again. I'm normally a peaceful, friendly person but sometimes you've just got to get your point across physically. I hope you get everything sorted!

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[Rrrr]

but if he strikes first, any trouble that may come of the fight will most likely land on him, not the other guy.

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[Khaz]

When involved in a fight on the street or anywhere else, make sure there are some witnesses around. Tell the opponent, who should always be the instigator, that you don't want to do this and it's not on you for whatever happens. This should be to simply let your opponent and witnesses know and accept that you are acting fully in self-defense, and it will later protect you from legal failures. Should your opponent continue with provoking a fight, don't second-guess yourself, and do not take the first punch. There is time for surprise later, and you do not want to be involved in legalities.

Combat is an art, and that is what martial arts training attempts to instill within you. In a live, unprofessional, uncoordinated fight, however, martial arts training only help with your own confidence and surety of footing.

In all truth, it really doesn't matter which foot you have forward. Keep your spread relatively equal to the width of your shoulders and your guard up. Don't rush yourself, and force yourself to breath easy. Think of your hands as pillows, and place them near your lower cheeks as such.

When facing your opponent, be alert for any sign the body makes. Keep your eyes on your opponent's collarbone area, and be prepared to move if you see a shoulder dip or the body flex. Practice the grapevine side-step move. It'll save your life.

For yourself, when preparing to strike, keep your shoulders level and do not put everything you've got behind an offensive move.

Patience will help you well in combat. Hold your stance, circle carefully and surely, keep your guard, and remain ready for a move. You cannot force an opening to strike your opponent; it's something you must be watching for and ready to take advantage of without notice.

If your opponent goes to the ground, keep away. There's no point in being struck down by an odd twist of a fallen opponent's leg, or a grapple of the arm.

If you get taken into close, grappling combat, first try to separate yourself from your opponent. If that's not possible - for instance, if your opponent is stronger and will not release - keep your head on your shoulders. Tripping is an effective move if your hands are tied up. It can be done simply, and is a flexible technique. Consider placing your forward foot and calf behind the knee and hip of your opponent, and pushing your opponent across and downward over your own leg. Don't be afraid to go down with your opponent, and use your opponent as a cushion.

If you're going to run, run. Don't turn your back on your oppponent when you've had enough. Step back until there is enough distance between both of you for you to feel safe.

Luck is not a factor in combat. Your own patience, perseverance, and determination are factors in combat. Don't attempt to estimate your opponent or your opponent's abilities (you'll find out soon enough), and remain alert and ready for any move. Give yourself some room to work, and keep a reserve of your own energy in case an opportunity shows itself. Don't try to be faster than you are, as it'll just tie you up.

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[Rrrr]

goodness, good advice. what sort or training do you have? you seem to know what you're talking about.

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[Mr_Big_Dave]

Fighting really isn't the answer mate. It isn't even a last resort. If u haven't fought before, the chances of winning are slim. And even if u do win... u better have solid mates to back u up, when his buddies come to visit you!

But if u r gonna fight u have to get the first punch(es) in... which means doing it without witnesses or cameras. And never be too proud to hit him where it hurts most!

Good luck

[Khaz]

[s]Rrrr wrote on 17:31, 3rd Mar 2005:
goodness, good advice. what sort or training do you have? you seem to know what you're talking about.


If that was directed at me, I will say that this thread is not mine and I won't have it hijacked in my name. In other words, I don't think answering your question would belong here. =)

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mtb23@st-andrews.ac.uk

[LonelyPilgrim]

My two cents...

You don't want to get hit first... a blow to the gut will knock the wind out of you and a blow to the head really rattles your brains around. Both are sensations that if you aren't used to them, will throw you for a real loop. It's not even so much pain, though of course it hurts, as it is... just not something you would have felt before and hence don't know how to ignore/react to.

That said... legally, you want him to start it. In my experience though, fights don't usually start with punches... they start with shoving, grabbing, etc. But, like anything in a fight, that's not guarenteed.

As for technique... the only new thing I can add is, make sure you punch 'through' your target. The subconscious mind will try to stop your hand if it thinks you are about to hit something solid, which robs your blow of energy. Thankfully, the subconscious is easy to trick, just aim your punch at some point past your real target, in such a way that your fist's trajectory takes it through the point you want to hit. It sounds awkward, but it's not that difficult. You might want to practice on a pillow or some other soft target for a while until you get the hang of it. A punching bag would be great, if you have access to one.

Last advice - find some solution that doesn't involve fighting. Fights are sometime's necessary, but not usually. And even if you win, you get hurt. You get hit too, and even if you don't, punching someone hurts. No way around that.

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[Manic23]

Kick him full force in the balls, then run away

Or punch him in the kidneys when his back is turned, then run away

Dirty Fighting is effective

[Just Say When]

just fucking hit him as hard as you can.

what else would you expect?