why to vote Tory rather than Labour

[Ian McFarlane]

So, I rally to all readers of this Message Board to vote Conservative tomorrow.

More Police
Cleaner Hospitals
Lower Taxes
School Discipline
Controlled Immigration
Accountability

This is not empty rhetoric, this is the agenda of a competent, honest man, prepared to stand up and fight for Britain - vote for it.

[Smith]

Vote conservative for corporate policing, underfunded hospitals, schools that fall to pieces, and complete embracement of racism - you know it makes sense

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I tried thinking of an innovative witty remark, but could only come up with this...

[Smith]

Quoting Bitterandtwisted from 20:30, 4th May 2005
Who's giving you money, Smith?

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... and so, with nothing left to live for, he obeys the chanted command from the distant crowd below.

Our government is giving me money.

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I tried thinking of an innovative witty remark, but could only come up with this...

[Bitterandtwisted]

Our government is giving me money.

Fine for some. It's only lending it to me.

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... and so, with nothing left to live for, he obeys the chanted command from the distant crowd below.

[Big X]

sent off my postal vote today just to make sure SW Surrey doesnt go to some Lib Dem banter boy. sooo excited about the election, will anyone else be staying up to watch the infamous 'smingometer' in action?? lets just hope that the Tories can make some inroads, although i dont really want a hung parliament or Labout will just jump into bed with the Lib Dems and we'll be subjected to even more Left wing tosh which i'm sure the likes of "mad dog" will enjoy........

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"Never apologise for showing feeling, in doing so you apologise for truth" Disraeli

[exnihilo]

Quoting Bitterandtwisted from 20:35, 4th May 2005
So you would advocate removing the vote from students, pensioners, the unemployed etc? Just because someone is not working during an election does not mean they never will or never did. Maybe if they can then live tax free for the rest of the government's term of office you could justifiably remove their vote.

The last sentence of my first paragraph ("Point being that argument is an absurdity.") should have been the give away.

[Senethro]

GOGO LIBDEMS!

[Ga]

Quoting Ian McFarlane from 20:46, 4th May 2005
This is not empty rhetoric, this is the agenda of a competent, honest man, prepared to stand up and fight for Britain - vote for it.

Best laught I've had all night.

Tell me, does an honest man inflict a tax onto a part of the country where they are they are the minorty party as a test?

Tell me, does an honest man try and cover tax breaks for the rich and a method to destroy the NHS and comprehensive education as a way to improve the institutions they seek to destroy?

And...

Tell me, does an honest man take jobs from an industry in one area, which already has the workforce, skills, equipment and buildings to produce what the government requires in a safe labour area, and move it to a conservatives marginal, with none of these facilites and at great expense?

That last action made sevral members of my family unemployed.

That action shattered an entire family, which used to live all within 25 miles of one another to all ends of this island in search of work.

THAT is why I HATE the conservite and unionist party. And if that is not a good reason to truely HATE something in the fullest meaning of the word, I challange you to find one.

There is more to life than mere money.

The systematic shattering of my family, my comunity, my town and my country is one that has cut me very deep. That is why I shall be glad that the conservative will take another drubbing, even by another right wing party.

I shall vote for a party who can make sure that the conservatives can never scarifice one area of the country and leaving it to rot to bolster those whome they recive support from.

Scotland needs independance. This can not be alowed to happen again.


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If everything in life had a point, life would be pointless

[MadDog20/20]

Yeah a coalition of LibDems and Old labour to get rid of this right-of-centre New Labour shite is just what the doctor ordered. Brilliant.

Now where is Tommy Sheridan when you need him?

Last minute Tory surge? You're having a laugh.

Vampire boy is on his way out of a job.

I still have fond memories of watching the TV reporters having a field day at Tory HQ last time as Hague and co. got completely and utterly battered.

I am pretty sure they were talking about late surges and marginal seats right up until the bald prick started greeting.

That was probably the best nights TV I've ever had. Looking forward to more of the same.

[ARTooD2]

WOOT!!! The "swingometer" will be out in force once again...lets hope it doesn't swing too far to the right...I can't arsed explaining myself so there...

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[The Unwilling]

This whole thread reeks of playground antics - "my party is better than your party". To be brutally honest, they all suck. If there was a box that said "None of the above" or even "RON", I think you would see voting numbers rise. This would be me, using my vote to say to all those running that I do not want any of them to be my representative.

Putting it bluntly, not that many people give enough of a toss to make a difference by voting. It doesn't help that, barring leaflets, I have seen little evidence of political activity. Students' Association elections get more publicity out there than I have seen this week.

You can't put it down to St Andrews being a safe seat. No publicity and no campaign from the other parties means that there is little chance the seat will be contested anyway, and it appears to have been the same in many other places.

I think that something that needs to be addressed is why people are still not voting at high levels. Postal votes are all well and good, but just to show how silly this system is, my flatmate is registered to vote up here, but also got two postal ballot for his home. Fair enough, one was for the council but the other was the big election tomorrow. Yet he still should not be registered to vote at home and here at the same time. If people don't want to go to a polling station, I don't think they're going to find it all that easier to go to a post box.

In many people's minds, things haven't really changed that much. We hear on the news about economy this, house prices that, but let's be fair, more people notice the prices in Tescos changing.

For some of these policies that the different parties are suggesting, it will take a lot more than 5 years to complete them. I do not want to take Yes Minister et al as an example, but it was based on the Callaghan administration (may he rest in peace btw), so there must be some semblance of truth in there somewhere.

"Administrative affairs" are getting worse as we speak. The growth in the number of civil servants is rather amazing. There is a statistic out there that says something along the lines of 40% of the working population in the service sector works for the government. That's a lot of people employed, but also adding a great deal of bureaucracy too.

I can't quite remember where I was going with this, but I think it was along the lines of: all parties suck, voting one in for a term is useless. Things change so quickly that an electoral policy more than likely will become a broken promise. There is a reason why politicians are stuck with the cliché of being dishonest. After all, it cannot become clichéd if people weren't saying it...

As for calling one party "evil", you must have some odd idea of what constitutes evil - quite ironic, considering what sort of town we live in.

[Bitterandtwisted]

Quoting exnihilo from 21:29, 4th May 2005


The last sentence of my first paragraph ("Point being that argument is an absurdity.") should have been the give away.

OK, I should have read your post a little more closely. Sorry. However, the argument is only an absurdity if you base votes on how much tax one pays. Anyone liable to pay for the governments upkeep should have a say in its running. Your point "Surely representation without taxation is as bad as the other" I would totaly dissagree with because, as I said last time, these people will pay tax in the future. If they are 16/17, likely within the term of office of the new government. Of couse, if they intend to evade tax all their lives and are capable of doing so they do not merit the vote.

The fact that not all of them pay tax is irrelevant. The pertinent fact is that those in full employment are compelled to.


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... and so, with nothing left to live for, he obeys the chanted command from the distant crowd below.

[Ian McFarlane]

Quoting Ga from 21:52, 4th May 2005

Tell me, does an honest man try and cover tax breaks for the rich and a method to destroy the NHS and comprehensive education as a way to improve the institutions they seek to destroy?

There is no attempt whatsoever to 'cover' tax breaks. If taxes could be cut further, and spending commitments lived up to, then you bet we'd hear about it (and not just for the 'rich').
There is neither a policy nor an agenda to 'destroy' the NHS. Saying so is either complete ignorance or complete deceit. Rather the Conservatives will end perverse, politically orientated targets, and introduce matrons to improve the cleanliness of wards. Indeed, far from destruction, the Tories will increase spending on the NHS.
As for a comprehensive education, I would suggest that educational standards have plummeted in recent years. The inadequate proficiency of many at numeracy and literacy illistrates this.
Otherwise, your post is entirely negative. The Conservatives are offering real, effective change - vote for it.

[Eliot Wilson]

And let it not be forgotten that it was Tony Crosland, then Education Secretary (and a Labour MP, for the young among you), who declared his high-minded education policy with regard to comprehensives during the 1960s: "I'm going to destroy every last fucking grammar school in England and Wales if it's the last fucking thing I do".

Oh, and Michael Howard was never a minister in the Scottish Office, so he hardly implemented the Community Charge in Scotland.

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Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[aliascon]

Quoting MadDog20/20 from 02:39, 4th May 2005
Selfish bastard.

Is it fair that some people are more able than others? Do you think it is fair that people have to live in squalor because they are not valuable to the economy or because they didn't have the privilaged upbringing that you so obviously enjoyed?

Nobody needs to earn £100,000. Nobody deserves that much. Especially not a selfish prick like you.

Right...SHUT THE F*CK UP
This country has got to be one of the most overtaxed nations in the world. With taxes comes gross inefficiency, as your government proves day in and day out. The increased expenses that this Labor party uses are ridiculous and every Brit should be appalled and pissed off. So what if this person wants to be an entrepreneur, create a bunch of jobs for other people and be rewarded for his life long efforts. Even if s/he has had a privileged life, it still requires effort to make it in this world. I understand the wealth redistribution argument but even but for Christ sake, why should others have to pick up the slack of those who couldn't get off their ass and make something of themselves and their country. Trying and failing is one thing but laziness is a complete other. Take a lesson from JFK, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Labor is a joke.

[Ian McFarlane]

Quoting Eliot Wilson from 23:22, 4th May 2005
And let it not be forgotten that it was Tony Crosland, then Education Secretary (and a Labour MP, for the young among you), who declared his high-minded education policy with regard to comprehensives during the 1960s: "I'm going to destroy every last fucking grammar school in England and Wales if it's the last fucking thing I do".

And the amusing thing was, that by pressing their anti-grammar school, anti-elitist policy, they virtually doubled the number of private schools overnight (as so many grammar schools decided to go independent).

[Duggeh]

vote tory and recieve a free lollypop

vote labour and recieve a much better lollypop, but youll never get it

vote lib dem and get a free lollypop, except that itll turn out to be a flavour you dont like

vote snp and get a free haggis

:p

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[Duggeh]

vote tory and recieve a free lollypop

vote labour and recieve a much better lollypop, but youll never get it

vote lib dem and get a free lollypop, except that itll turn out to be a flavour you dont like

vote snp and get a free haggis

:p

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[MadDog20/20]

Quoting aliascon from 21:56, 4th May 2005


Right...SHUT THE F*CK UP

This country has got to be one of the most overtaxed nations in the world.

YES!

Finally someone with some attitude to wrestle with. Shame you couldnt back up your style with a decent argument.

We are not overtaxed. True, the money could be spent better, but what we really need to do is concentrate on how we spend the money, rather than whether or not we should cut taxes.

Tax and spend. Provide the basics for everyone. Who cares if we are heavily taxed and have are placing extra friction on the economy? At least we can sleep at night, knowing that our country is doing something to look after its weakest citizens, rather than the brutal and inhumane capitalist culture that has evolved across the pond.

One final thing, the most successful entrepreneurs are in general the people that are most willing to tread on toes and milk every last penny of profit out of their workforce. They are the last people on the planet that deserve our sympathy.

Why can't we work towards a society in which we care about each other, rather than a dog-eat-dog world where only the most ruthless and selfish make it big?

So, when you weigh it all up, there is only one possible conclusion.

IF YOU VOTE TORY TOMORROW, YOU'RE A FUCKING SELFISH ARSEHOLE

[Duggeh]

Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.

CEO Nwabudike Morgan
"The Ethics of Greed"

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