Cathedral

[kezziecats]

Does anyone know why the cathedral was destroyed, is it something to do with the Scottish Reformation, or something completely different?
Also does anyone have any good short stories about the history of St Andrews?
Thanks

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[Al]

It wasn't destroyed as such during the Reformation. It was more of a case of anything valuable -including the lead from the roof - being nicked. The weather, lack of maintenance and the fact that it wasn't very well built in the first place did the rest. Once it started to fall people helped it along to get the stone. There are a lot of buildings in town which include stones from the cathedral.

[kezziecats]

Thanks for that

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[Eliot Wilson]

The burgh council did encourage the use of the cathedral as a quarry, it being felt that the cathedral was a relic of popery.

The Marquess of Bute wanted to rebuild it, I believe, as a graduation hall for the University.

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Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[exnihilo]

Don't forget the earthquake and the being struck by lightning.

[exnihilo]

Speaking of the cathedral, someone once told me that it was still illegal for a Catholic priest to wear his vestments on the public streets - does anyone on here know if that's true?

[flarewearer]

The awful red-stone additions to the Cathedral that now house the visitor's centre were some of Bute's attempts to begin a restoration. I believe a lot of the stone was "borrowed" for various other town construction projects, just like the East wing of the castle was pulled down for stone to reinforce the pier.

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[Cain]

Bishop Kennedy is meant to be buried under a big stone underneath an alcove at the head of St Salvator's chapel, but because of fears of graverobbing (for bishops' bones are prized relics), gravesacking (for bishops' bones are easy targets for protestant hordes or the engineering difficulties of moving the stone to put the bishop in, he was actually buried underneath where the three wooden chairs are now.

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[RJ Covino]

Quoting Cain from 22:27, 15th May 2005
Bishop Kennedy is meant to be buried under a big stone underneath an alcove at the head of St Salvator's chapel

Are you sure? His skull was still down there when Principal Donaldson descended into the crypt...

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[Cain]

Quoting RJ Covino from 23:02, 15th May 2005

Are you sure? His skull was still down there when Principal Donaldson descended into the crypt...

It's what I was told on my historical tour guide training. of course, a lot of the stories are nothing more than fanciful myths - we get given four different explanations for why we have a pierwalk on sundays, for instance.

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[Jason Dunn]

Out of interest, how old a tradition is the cloister run?

[legohead]

there's going to be a mass in the ruins of the cathedral tommorow at noon, if anyone's interested. I think Cardinal O'Brien will be at the service. I wonder if this is the first time a mass has been said there since it became ruined

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faces crushed in the circus dust
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and the price of admission

[Steveo]

Quoting RJ Covino from 23:02, 15th May 2005

Quoting Cain from 22:27, 15th May 2005
Bishop Kennedy is meant to be buried under a big stone underneath an alcove at the head of St Salvator's chapel

Are you sure? His skull was still down there when Principal Donaldson descended into the crypt...

Ask Lang, he decends in to the crypt every night to sleep.

[Eliot Wilson]

Quoting Jason Dunn from 23:29, 15th May 2005
Out of interest, how old a tradition is the cloister run?

Not very, would be my guess.

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Bill: "You played very well, Death, especially with your totally heavy Death robes."

Death: "Don't patronise me."

[WonderWoman]

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/s ... cathedral/

[exnihilo]

Quoting Eliot Wilson from 00:27, 16th May 2005

Quoting Jason Dunn from 23:29, 15th May 2005
Out of interest, how old a tradition is the cloister run?

Not very, would be my guess.

Not very at all. It's almost certainly one of those things that has been started umpteen times. In the present incarnation, it's about ten years old. Give or take three months.

[RJ Covino]

Quoting Cain from 23:22, 15th May 2005
It's what I was told on my historical tour guide training. of course, a lot of the stories are nothing more than fanciful myths

I don't doubt it. Muppets. Why actually bother to find out about things when making them up is just as easy? The truth about such matters is often infinitely better than the cack the admissions mafia come up with.

Principal Donaldson's memoirs are quite a good read, overall, I might add, though the scene where he, the beadle and his wife descent into the crypt to fondle the skull of Bishop Kennedy is a bit on the weird side.

Still, I suppose if the current Chancellor can get his rocks off looking at mountain ranges, a little bit of historical skull-fondling isn't all that out of place.

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[Andrew Cusack]

Quoting legohead from 00:21, 16th May 2005
there's going to be a mass in the ruins of the cathedral tommorow at noon, if anyone's interested. I think Cardinal O'Brien will be at the service. I wonder if this is the first time a mass has been said there since it became ruined

Catholic priests from the SSPX used to say masses there in the 1980's (pre-1988). And yes, His Eminence, the Cardinal Archbishop of St Andrews & Edinburgh will be saying the Mass today.

[Guest]

There was ransacking of all that was valuable, while is was still being used by the Catholics left over after John Knox's tirade. There may have be a fire involved just to ensure that Catholicism was snuffed out.

[aien aristein]

Quoting exnihilo from 21:10, 15th May 2005
Speaking of the cathedral, someone once told me that it was still illegal for a Catholic priest to wear his vestments on the public streets - does anyone on here know if that's true?

No, it's not. There are no such restrictions on catholics anymore, with the sole exception that a royal may not marry one or become one, without forfitting their right to succeed to the throne.