Tax

[Gill]

I am working in McIntosh hall, and the inland revenue keep taxing me. Something seems wrong here.

How would i go about stopping them taxing me. fair enough i know i have to pay N.I, thats fine, i'm not complaining about that, just the £117 so far that they have no need to take from me.

I have already filled in some little insignificant form when i started work, but as usual, nothing has been done about it.

If i can get them to stop taxing me, is there any chance of getting the money back before april?

[Thalia]

If you worked during term time then they'll keep taxing you until your wage goes down. If you didn't, then the number for salaries is on the pay slip - ring them up and ask them about it.

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[[James]]

There's a form you can fill in to stop the bastards taxing you, but that's only if you work exclusively during holidays. I think it's a P38 (definitely has the number 38 in it) and you have to ask your employer for it.

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[Don]

Hey Gill,

It is a P38 you need, you can download the form and print it off from here http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/students/fagp38s.shtml.

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[Midget]

Yes, you can reclaim money from the Inland Revenue.

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[Thalia]

The P38 would be the one that the uni gives you when you start working for them. Unfortunately, if you worked for them during term time, you're charged tax depending on your weekly wage because that form is only for students who work solely in the summer.

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[Gill]

thanks guys. I've already filled out a P38.

[David]

The inland revenue are quite simply fools. Or more likely, it is your employers who are. Did they ask you to fill in a P38 (student employee's tax form) prior to starting at McIntosh? If not you could be in for a long wait for getting your tax money back. It's been a year since i finished my last job and i'm still waiting for my tax money. They claim they sent me my P45 back (they never did as the tax people never received it either). Hope it works out for you

[Thalia]

As i've already said, if you work during term time the p38 isn't relevant because it's only for students who work solely during summer time.

Apparently, the way it works if you work during term time is that you're taxed based on your weekly income and automatically get it back when you go below a certain level of earnings. I've yet to see how well this 'automatic' returning of the tax goes

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[Gill]

yeah, i did fill it in once i'd bugged them.

I know i worked during term time, but i was never on a weekly payroll that actually paid anything, so i don't know how they can work out any tax code from that. i worked twice for st mary's, and they don't keep you on the books. my last job from last summer (stupid gits) kept me on the pay roll until january but my pay was 0. i've already filled in some forms for I.R about that.

man this sucks.

[Gill]

Quoting David from 10:30, 13th Jul 2006
The inland revenue are quite simply fools. Or more likely, it is your employers who are. Did they ask you to fill in a P38 (student employee's tax form) prior to starting at McIntosh? If not you could be in for a long wait for getting your tax money back. It's been a year since i finished my last job and i'm still waiting for my tax money. They claim they sent me my P45 back (they never did as the tax people never received it either). Hope it works out for you

nope, i had to bug them for that. hope you get your money back.

[OffHeGoes]

To stop paying tax in your current job you need to ask your employer for a P38s to sign, or alternatively download the form, fill it out and hand it to them to save you the trouble of having to talk sense to them. If you sign a P38s whilst still in employment your employer may refund the tax into your next paycheck, but that is their choice rather than your right. Otherwise...

To claim tax back at the end of a tax year you'll need to send off your end of year slip (P60) along with a covering note explaining that you havent earnt up to the £5,035 threshold and as such shouldnt have paid any tax.

A few worthwhile notes... Being a student doesnt actually mean a single thing when it comes to paying tax and national insurance, so never try to use the "but i'm a student" argument when it comes to tax. You can also actually sign a P38 whilst working term-time, as long as you can convince your employer that it is appropriate. given the randomness of information given by the tax office you can always just say you called and that is what was recommended.

Also when you start a job you either hand in a P45 (leaving form from your last employer) or sign a P46 (new job form), and these arent in any way designed to stop you paying tax, regardless of whether they ask if you are a student or not. They are needed tho, or you'll end up paying emergency tax.

[harmless loony]

To the person who is trying to get their tax back.

I had the same problem last year - they were claming they didn't have this and that, blaming the uni then telling me my address wasn't valid blah blah - it took me 16 months to get my money back.

The trick i discovered in the end was to write a formal complaint to the head of the appropriate tax office (your pay slip should indicate which tax office it is) - tell them the situation - explain that you're the one suffering, you've had poor service and you want a reply within 10 days or you will go to the ombudsman - funnily enough 5 days after I sent the letter I got a grovelling phone call, grovelling letter and all my tax back!

Good Luck!

[spewie]

I was just on the phone to the Inland Revenue to try and claim tax back for last summer. They informed me, as long as you earn less than £419 every month, you pay no tax. As soon as it goes above that, it's 10%. As soon as you earn more than £579 it rises to 22%.

The P38s form does absolutely nothing in the short term and won't stop you paying tax. All that happens is that the employer sends this in with the end of year figures, which stops you (the student) having to send a letter to claim your tax back in April.

To summarise, earn less than £419 = no tax, earn less than £579 but more than £419 = 10% tax, earn more than £579 = 22% tax.

There is no 'quick-fix' to stop you paying tax as that P38 form only applies at the end of the year. There's no way to claim tax back quicker than April unless you earn less than £419 a month. (£5,035 / 12 Months)

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[queen of scots]

If you think getting tax back is bad, national insurance is impossible to get back. I'm fuming with the uni, as they paid me (and my boyfriend) a lump sum in one month, which had a huge amount of national insurance taken off it, because it was calculated as though I had earned all that money in just one month. It was unfair because I had worked a thirteen week contract, and if the payment had been spread out evenly over those three months, I would have had virtually no national insurance to pay.

If you're ever asked to hand in timesheets at the end of a contract, rather than as you go through, refuse - you'll be badly hit for national insurance if they pay in a lump sum, and there's no way of getting that back.

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Quoting spewie from 13:50, 14th Jul 2006
I was just on the phone to the Inland Revenue to try and claim tax back for last summer. They informed me, as long as you earn less than £419 every month, you pay no tax. As soon as it goes above that, it's 10%. As soon as you earn more than £579 it rises to 22%.

The P38s form does absolutely nothing in the short term and won't stop you paying tax. All that happens is that the employer sends this in with the end of year figures, which stops you (the student) having to send a letter to claim your tax back in April.

To summarise, earn less than £419 = no tax, earn less than £579 but more than £419 = 10% tax, earn more than £579 = 22% tax.

There is no 'quick-fix' to stop you paying tax as that P38 form only applies at the end of the year. There's no way to claim tax back quicker than April unless you earn less than £419 a month. (£5,035 / 12 Months)

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it all depends on your employer really, as they have the ability to stop taxing you when you hand in a p38.

[jsap]

I am getting charged 300 pounds a week in tax at the moment. Being robbed for 1/3 of my wage (tax + NI) is not funny. The way to get paid in future is to call yourself "freelance", make your boss pay an offshore LTD company who then pay you. The name of the company I used to use is "freelance professional sevices", based in jersey (i think). This way you only pay a small amount of money to the ltd company as "tax" and keep most of your wage.

[WashingtonIrving]

Quoting spewie from 13:50, 14th Jul 2006
I was just on the phone to the Inland Revenue to try and claim tax back for last summer. They informed me, as long as you earn less than £419 every month, you pay no tax. As soon as it goes above that, it's 10%. As soon as you earn more than £579 it rises to 22%.

The P38s form does absolutely nothing in the short term and won't stop you paying tax. All that happens is that the employer sends this in with the end of year figures, which stops you (the student) having to send a letter to claim your tax back in April.

To summarise, earn less than £419 = no tax, earn less than £579 but more than £419 = 10% tax, earn more than £579 = 22% tax.

There is no 'quick-fix' to stop you paying tax as that P38 form only applies at the end of the year. There's no way to claim tax back quicker than April unless you earn less than £419 a month. (£5,035 / 12 Months)

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That can't be right, I'm getting far more than that a month and I'm not meant to pay tax. And its not some dodgy lot I'm working for, its local government. That P38 form says you don't pay tax unless you earn over £5500 in the year or something similar.



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[Guest]

WashingtonIrving is right as far as it goes. His/her monthly figures are, I believe, the total yearly tax-free earning allowance divided monthly. If you earn more than that a month you usually pay tax, depending on what arrangement your employer makes. However, what really counts is your earning total for the tax year. So, for example, if you earn £1000 per month for 3 months in the summer, but nothing the rest of the year, you can claim all the tax back the following April.

You have to ask for your tax back, they don't make it their business finding people they owe money to. I'm lucky enough to live 5 mins from my local tax office, took all my payslips and documents in, explained a bit, waited a bit, filled in forms, maybe 30 mins. A few days later, every penny was paid into my account.