Andy Murray

[bdw]

what a legend! Breaks Federer 7 times and is only the second person to beat him all year. Greatest Scottish sporting moment of the year so far?

[thePontificator]

Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

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[Otis redding]

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

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Fan dan

[Colin]

Pretty damn impressive, I must say. Hope he can keep up this form through the competition and into the US open.

[Iain]

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

And that's why he trained(s) in Barcelona?! Hmph. What a talent though; and the BBC had the good courtesy to call him Scottish on the Ten O'clock News; that'll keep a good few people quiet, myself included!



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http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~snpsoc

[oddly familiar]

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

I have a suspicion that this is going to end up like the BBC Scotland thread. Lets hope not, eh? Something I think Scots don’t realise is that English people devote, well, somewhere between very little and zero time thinking about Scotland. From above the border it seems much more thought is spent on England and Scotland as separate entities. In Scotland it is all too easy to find examples of anti-English rhetoric in conversations on the internet, in pubs, at parties and I’m sure in many other places as well. In England, its simply never a topic of conversation, and I’m sure many of my English friends living in the south (and even the north too) probably haven’t even thought about Scotland for years. I imagine it would be difficult to find a Scot who honestly could say the reverse was true. Many Scots I suspect think of the English as some acquisitive empire bearing great antipathy toward Scotland, unaware I think of the complete indifference to the issue south of the border.

Here is an example – “Andy Murray is Scottish!” Which he is, obviously, but many English people will simply think of him as British. If he ever wins Wimbledon, the English will say he is British, and the Scots will say he is Scottish. However that is not through any kind of desire on the part of the English to say he isn’t Scottish and deny Scotland the right to be proud of him, but simply because they have never thought about there being any difference between the two. After all, English people use “British” and “English” interchangeably, not simply because most British people are English, but because I think (other than at football events), they see no reason to say they are not British and not part of the United Kingdom. As too are Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland, and English see no reason why people from those places would not think the same thing.


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[boris]

What a load of crap...

What if we kept calling Portugal, Spain??? im sure they wud get pissed off.

Scotland is not in England and the majority of us don't want to be in Brittain. If it was possible for us to sustain ourselves on the oil
etc... (which it was 10years ago untill the english took it all...) then we would be on our own happier than ever... but instead we have to have the continuous argument with the English who don't understand why we don't like them... and they probably don't understand why the rest of the world hates them when it comes to football either... Scotland have one of the most respected supports and national teams in the world... where as England send louts to support them (and b4 anyone ses thats there choice not ours... think u brought them up this way.) rant over.

[Lid]

Quoting boris from 02:56, 17th Aug 2006
What if we kept calling Portugal, Spain??? im sure they wud get pissed off.

The thing is, Andy Murray plays as a British tennis player. Indeed he is Scottish, but he is also British. Hence why he plays for Britain in the Davis Cup, you know, GBR at the side of his name?

Portugal isn't part of Spain, is it. It only shares a peninsula.

Scotland is not in England and the majority of us don't want to be in Brittain.

Majority, eh?

If it was possible for us to sustain ourselves on the oil
etc... (which it was 10years ago untill the english took it all...)

You're meaning the United Kingdom, surely.

but instead we have to have the continuous argument with the English who don't understand why we don't like them...

Rough generalisation, I'm sure there are Scots that do like the English, I think the point is you don't like the English, not the entire of Scotland. And the reason there is this continuous argument is because it seems somewhat irrational.

I'm not going to reply to the rest, for tis waffle. If you can put together a coherant argument, please do. If not, stop being silly.

Well done Andy, lets hope with his new coach, we'll have a fantastic winner of many a tournament to come. Lets hope he not only stays as the UK No. 1 but climbs up the world rankings too!

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We are not drunks, we are multi-millionaires

[Si]

Scotland has Glasgow: The birthplace of Ned culture. So don't talk about England being full of louts when the biggest and best of them live in Scotland.

End of story.

Back on topic: Well done Andy. You did Britain proud tonight.

[boris]

When asked who andy murray would be supporting in the world cup he replied, anyone but england.

Nuff said.


Ps: im from Glasgow, and it is no where near as bad as anyone ever says it is... that and have you seen the cities London and Newcastle for violence.

[Paranoid]

This reminds me of watching the last F1 Grand Prix 2 weeks ago. I noticed for the first time that David Coulthard (Scot), who is a registered British racing driver (member of the BRDC I believe), has a St. Andrews Saltire next to his name on the car.

I thought all British sporting bodies required British sportsmen to display the British flag next to their name?

Following on from this, I would then suspect Mr. Coulthard to have the Scottish National Anthem play when he next wins a Grand Prix (ok, ok, IF he wins another grand prix!)

For comparison, I believe Button sports the British flag...but I may be wrong!

Quoting Lid from 03:11, 17th Aug 2006

Quoting boris from 02:56, 17th Aug 2006
What if we kept calling Portugal, Spain??? im sure they wud get pissed off.

The thing is, Andy Murray plays as a British tennis player. Indeed he is Scottish, but he is also British. Hence why he plays for Britain in the Davis Cup, you know, GBR at the side of his name?

Portugal isn't part of Spain, is it. It only shares a peninsula.

Scotland is not in England and the majority of us don't want to be in Brittain.

Majority, eh?

If it was possible for us to sustain ourselves on the oil
etc... (which it was 10years ago untill the english took it all...)

You're meaning the United Kingdom, surely.

but instead we have to have the continuous argument with the English who don't understand why we don't like them...

Rough generalisation, I'm sure there are Scots that do like the English, I think the point is you don't like the English, not the entire of Scotland. And the reason there is this continuous argument is because it seems somewhat irrational.

I'm not going to reply to the rest, for tis waffle. If you can put together a coherant argument, please do. If not, stop being silly.

Well done Andy, lets hope with his new coach, we'll have a fantastic winner of many a tournament to come. Lets hope he not only stays as the UK No. 1 but climbs up the world rankings too!

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..I've got this pain down all the diodes on my left side...

[Otis redding]

Quoting oddly familiar from 23:47, 16th Aug 2006

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

I have a suspicion that this is going to end up like the BBC Scotland thread. Lets hope not, eh? Something I think Scots don’t realise is that English people devote, well, somewhere between very little and zero time thinking about Scotland. From above the border it seems much more thought is spent on England and Scotland as separate entities. In Scotland it is all too easy to find examples of anti-English rhetoric in conversations on the internet, in pubs, at parties and I’m sure in many other places as well. In England, its simply never a topic of conversation, and I’m sure many of my English friends living in the south (and even the north too) probably haven’t even thought about Scotland for years. I imagine it would be difficult to find a Scot who honestly could say the reverse was true. Many Scots I suspect think of the English as some acquisitive empire bearing great antipathy toward Scotland, unaware I think of the complete indifference to the issue south of the border.

Here is an example – “Andy Murray is Scottish!” Which he is, obviously, but many English people will simply think of him as British. If he ever wins Wimbledon, the English will say he is British, and the Scots will say he is Scottish. However that is not through any kind of desire on the part of the English to say he isn’t Scottish and deny Scotland the right to be proud of him, but simply because they have never thought about there being any difference between the two. After all, English people use “British” and “English” interchangeably, not simply because most British people are English, but because I think (other than at football events), they see no reason to say they are not British and not part of the United Kingdom. As too are Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland, and English see no reason why people from those places would not think the same thing.


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fan dan

[niall]

just checking the BBC site before work, on the BBC sport page.

HIGHLIGHTS AND FEATURES ON THE BIG STORIES
so what do they have (6 slots)?

top row:

Highlights: England 4-0 Greece

Dream debut
What we learned from Steve McClaren's first game in charge of England

Europe's seven-year itch
No European has won a major since '99, we recall the near-misses

bottom row:

Gerrard praises 'superb' first-half

International friendly photos
Pictures of England, Northern Ireland and Rep of Ireland

Jonathan Agnew column
"England are determined to keep up the pressure"

so, Andy murray's accomplishment is ignore for an international friendly...

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http://www.tastyspoon.com/forum

[Rufus]

Quoting oddly familiar from 23:47, 16th Aug 2006

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

I have a suspicion that this is going to end up like the BBC Scotland thread. Lets hope not, eh? Something I think Scots don’t realise is that English people devote, well, somewhere between very little and zero time thinking about Scotland. From above the border it seems much more thought is spent on England and Scotland as separate entities. In Scotland it is all too easy to find examples of anti-English rhetoric in conversations on the internet, in pubs, at parties and I’m sure in many other places as well. In England, its simply never a topic of conversation, and I’m sure many of my English friends living in the south (and even the north too) probably haven’t even thought about Scotland for years. I imagine it would be difficult to find a Scot who honestly could say the reverse was true. Many Scots I suspect think of the English as some acquisitive empire bearing great antipathy toward Scotland, unaware I think of the complete indifference to the issue south of the border.

Here is an example – “Andy Murray is Scottish!” Which he is, obviously, but many English people will simply think of him as British. If he ever wins Wimbledon, the English will say he is British, and the Scots will say he is Scottish. However that is not through any kind of desire on the part of the English to say he isn’t Scottish and deny Scotland the right to be proud of him, but simply because they have never thought about there being any difference between the two. After all, English people use “British” and “English” interchangeably, not simply because most British people are English, but because I think (other than at football events), they see no reason to say they are not British and not part of the United Kingdom. As too are Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland, and English see no reason why people from those places would not think the same thing.


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This is complete rot. I just spent a month down in Devon having to laugh off numerous 'jokes' about the Scots and Scotland. Every new person I met would wheel out the same hackneyed stereotypes and expect me not to rise to the bait.

The sad truth is that England still harbour the delusion that they are better than every other nation within the United Kingdom, and then they're surprised and offended when the Welsh, Irish and Scots get a teensy bit fractious.

[nighteyes]

Quoting Si from 03:12, 17th Aug 2006
Scotland has Glasgow: The birthplace of Ned culture. So don't talk about England being full of louts when the biggest and best of them live in Scotland.

End of story.

I really wish people would stop thinking that Glasgow is this violent, harsh place. Full of unwashed and uneducated. Its no worse than any big city with good parts and bad parts. And England is not full of louts, but it does have its share.

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i didnt say i was consistant, just right!

[Gealle]

Absolultely spot on, Nighteyes.

I'm probably the biggest target you could imagine for neds. Not once, never, not in my entire life, have I ever been prone to their jibes or attacks in Glasgow.

With neds, I've noticed you only ever get trouble if you expect to. This won't be true all the time; but we need exceptions to prove a rule (or so those scientist people keep informing me).

Quoting nighteyes from 10:57, 17th Aug 2006

I really wish people would stop thinking that Glasgow is this violent, harsh place. Full of unwashed and uneducated. Its no worse than any big city with good parts and bad parts. And England is not full of louts, but it does have its share.

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i didnt say i was consistant, just right!

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Funky flunky munky...

[oddly familiar]

Quoting Rufus from 10:21, 17th[/s]

This is complete rot. I just spent a month down in Devon having to laugh off numerous 'jokes' about the Scots and Scotland. Every new person I met would wheel out the same hackneyed stereotypes and expect me not to rise to the bait.

The sad truth is that England still harbour the delusion that they are better than every other nation within the United Kingdom, and then they're surprised and offended when the Welsh, Irish and Scots get a teensy bit fractious.

Are you Scottish? Or did you bring the subject of Scotland up in conversation if you are not? My point is that get a lot of English people together and they will probably never mention Scotland at all (without some outside stimulus like you appearing), wheras the same cannot be said of a bunch of Scots because somewhere in that group will be at least one person like boris who for some reason hates the English (have they ever done anything to him, or his family or friends?). Not many English people hate the Scots withot reason; You wouldnt go into a school playground in England and hear about how much various people want to "kill the scots", wheras the reverse, sadly, is not true.

I suppose what I'm trying to get at, is that it isnt an issue in England at all - why is it in Scotland? There are political movements for scottish independance I realise (though I do wonder what the benefits really would be, other than being able to say "Scottish!" instead of "British"), yet really what is the root of this desire to break off from the UK? you could cite economic reasons or whatever at me (of which i would be dubious), but realistically that is not the root cause for the movement existing.

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[Lodestone]

I suppose what I'm trying to get at, is that it isnt an issue in England at all - why is it in Scotland?

History.

[chaffinch]

Quoting Rufus from 10:21, 17th Aug 2006

Quoting oddly familiar from 23:47, 16th Aug 2006

Quoting thePontificator from 22:54, 16th Aug 2006
Yeah, and it's one the rest of Britain can share in, let's not forget where the money came from for his new coach. Scottish wise the only things I can think of are beating England at rugby and winning the Kirin Cup.

I have a suspicion that this is going to end up like the BBC Scotland thread. Lets hope not, eh? Something I think Scots don’t realise is that English people devote, well, somewhere between very little and zero time thinking about Scotland. From above the border it seems much more thought is spent on England and Scotland as separate entities. In Scotland it is all too easy to find examples of anti-English rhetoric in conversations on the internet, in pubs, at parties and I’m sure in many other places as well. In England, its simply never a topic of conversation, and I’m sure many of my English friends living in the south (and even the north too) probably haven’t even thought about Scotland for years. I imagine it would be difficult to find a Scot who honestly could say the reverse was true. Many Scots I suspect think of the English as some acquisitive empire bearing great antipathy toward Scotland, unaware I think of the complete indifference to the issue south of the border.

Here is an example – “Andy Murray is Scottish!” Which he is, obviously, but many English people will simply think of him as British. If he ever wins Wimbledon, the English will say he is British, and the Scots will say he is Scottish. However that is not through any kind of desire on the part of the English to say he isn’t Scottish and deny Scotland the right to be proud of him, but simply because they have never thought about there being any difference between the two. After all, English people use “British” and “English” interchangeably, not simply because most British people are English, but because I think (other than at football events), they see no reason to say they are not British and not part of the United Kingdom. As too are Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland, and English see no reason why people from those places would not think the same thing.


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This is complete rot. I just spent a month down in Devon having to laugh off numerous 'jokes' about the Scots and Scotland. Every new person I met would wheel out the same hackneyed stereotypes and expect me not to rise to the bait.

The sad truth is that England still harbour the delusion that they are better than every other nation within the United Kingdom, and then they're surprised and offended when the Welsh, Irish and Scots get a teensy bit fractious.

I don't get surprised or offended, I just laugh.

[Guest]

Inferiority Complex

Quoting oddly familiar from 12:29, 17th Aug 2006

I suppose what I'm trying to get at, is that it isnt an issue in England at all - why is it in Scotland?