WHY?!!?!?!?

[Raindog]

Quoting Dom from 04:51, 16th May 2007

Quoting inshaala from 01:34, 16th May 2007
there is a reason humans have canines... silly veggies going against the natural order of things.

And, do tell, what reason do you think this is?

"It is a common fallacy to describe canine teeth as being the hallmark of a carnivorous diet - the teeth associated with carnivory are the carnassial teeth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canine_tooth

Carnassial teeth are not found in humans. Human canine teeth, on the other hand, are short and blunt - well suited to a herbivorous diet.

This thread is reminding me of that well-known phrase "You are what you eat." Anyone had any rump steak lately?

A Wikipedia, that fountain of truth

[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

You can't handle the truthhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

"There is no single definition of truth about which the majority of philosophers agree" I have no idea about what point I am making but aHA! TRUTH!

[David]

mmmm dead animals dipped in chocolate?


I think we're onto a winner here!

[Orcas]

Well....you have a few choices.
http://www.flukerfarms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=13Order from here, or...



http://www.chefdepot.net/chocolateants.htm make your own!

[novium]

rennet is used in the production of a lot of cheeses, isn't it? And wine as well, as I recently learned.

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[trouble]

Quoting novium from 11:36, 16th May 2007
rennet is used in the production of a lot of cheeses, isn't it? And wine as well, as I recently learned.

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and a lot of beers, most ales and guinness. its a thickening agent.

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[Al]

Wikipedia also states that carnassial teeth are "mountainously large and pointy", and loss of these teeth can lead to "death by incompetence". Which just goes to show.

[sweet]

First of all, I'm not a veggie. Bacon for dinner tonight - yum! However I don't eat meat indiscriminately - for instance battery chicken is out. And I hate the idea of processed meat parts going into desserts, just, ick! The labelling ought to be clearer.

While I wouldn't quote Wiki in an essay, is someone seriously trying to argue that EVERYTHING on it is a lie? (or is it just everything he disagrees with?) To be honest, the whole evolution/instinct point is besides the point anyway IMHO, it's clear that a balanced veggie diet is very healthy and just because something is instinctive does not make it right. Were not animals, we're people.

[beeny]

I went veggie for a year so I have a right to say this (I feel)and to be honest, all vegetarians are stupid. Humans are a naturally omnivorous species which means that they require to eat something form every food group - yes veggies, even meat - in order to be healthy. (Not sick, pale and anaemic looking like so many veggies... :p) That is why we have prominent canine teeth (not like the small, flattened ones of ruminant and HERBIVOROUS species such as cows and sheep) as well as molars for gnashing, flattening and chomping of vegetables. My god, science is amazing.

Now, I'm not saying that vegetarianism isn't viable. Just ridiculous. Someone came into my work the other day and asked for a platter which comes with chicken wings, but sans the latter. Fair enough. The kitchen forgot and despite the chicken touching ONLY ONE POTATO WEDGE they demanded entirely new food to be cooked. Naturally we couldn't reuse the others as that's disgusting and so they were thrown out, losing us (admittedly, a very little) money but provoking our anger and wasting our time. Her reasoning was that she was a 'devout vegetarian'. She had salmon for a main course. That's a fucking pescetarian. And what's with them anyway? Be veggie or don't but don't be a prick 'oooh fish don't have feelings/equivocal rights to cows.

That kind of deviated. Fact is, if you're veggie YOU CHOOSE TO BE. SO if eating meat is so hideously against your morals you'll have to get used to not eating all the delicious chocolatey items that we with a sensible, healthy and non-vitamin-tablet-supplemented diet can enjoy because we realise that cows evolved to be tasty for one reason and one reason only : so we can eat them.



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[maenad]

Quoting beeny from 18:10, 16th May 2007
I went veggie for a year so I have a right to say this (I feel)and to be honest, all vegetarians are stupid.

... oh, I'm sorry, you actually wanted me to read the rest of your post?

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[The Bitter Historian]

Of course, what's really a bit horrifying in the whole thing is the religious aspects behind it; Hindus can't eat beef, and I'm not sure but I'm fairly sure the rennet used will not be from cows butchered in a halal or kosher way.

Incidentally, I'm not a vegetarian per se; I just don't like the taste of meat very much, and I just really like vegetarian meals and vegetables. I'm not too bothered about the change in Mars Bars etc, I just think the way they went around it was a bit dodgy.

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[Haunted]

I don't think its the vegeatarianns that are stupid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1nFSF-sUaE

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[novium]

and a filtering agent.

Quoting trouble from 12:04, 16th May 2007

Quoting novium from 11:36, 16th May 2007
rennet is used in the production of a lot of cheeses, isn't it? And wine as well, as I recently learned.

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tamen ira procul absit, cum qua nihil recte fieri, nihil considerate potest.

and a lot of beers, most ales and guinness. its a thickening agent.

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[Idealist]

Aside from the whole excluding veggis and people who can't eat meat for other reasons...does no one else find it quite disturbing that they have decided to use the lining of a calf's stomach in the manufacture of chocolate?? I'm not a veggi but it really doesn't seem right....its chocolate!

I don't really fancy tucking into a Mars bar now I know what its actually made of!

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[rob 'f*ck off' wine boy]

Quoting Idealist from 22:04, 16th May 2007
Aside from the whole excluding veggis and people who can't eat meat for other reasons...does no one else find it quite disturbing that they have decided to use the lining of a calf's stomach in the manufacture of chocolate?? I'm not a veggi but it really doesn't seem right....its chocolate!

I don't really fancy tucking into a Mars bar now I know what its actually made of!

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Yeah exactly. And that shit they chuck into beers and wines...it makes me wonder if it would taste better without it (my intuition suggests that it would). I doubt that these additives make for a product that would equal a purer variant.

[beeny]

Quoting Idealist from 22:04, 16th May 2007
does no one else find it quite disturbing that they have decided to use the lining of a calf's stomach in the manufacture of chocolate?? I'm not a veggi but it really doesn't seem right....its chocolate!

I don't really fancy tucking into a Mars bar now I know what its actually made of!

Best give up cheese then. And coloured icing which uses dyes made from certain animals (cochineal, as the article stated). Oh and while you're at it, there's seaweed in toothpaste. Ewwwwww. *sigh*

The fact is you're not a veggie so you can't be averse to eating meat. (Well done.) All meat we eat anyway has been hung for 28 days and is technically in a state of rigor mortis (thanks 'Kill it, Cook it, Eat it' - most informative TV show ever.) Still wanna eat meat? I thought you would. The animals (as I saw in afore-mentioned TV show are all well-treated, humanely killed and deliberately given a peaceful last few minutes. It's all perfectly humane. If anything, it's more peaceful than the way a lot of humans die.

Food is food. It doesn't matter where it comes from (unless you're planning on eating roadkill). Did you really think chocolate was all natural? That it didn't contain nasty things? People should grow up. Animals eat each other. tStomachs go in food (hello friendly haggis) and that's just how things are. Ever met a vegetarian leopard? No, because that would be ridiculous; it goes against the natural order of things. You can't be a conscientious objector to evolution!! We may be humans but we are still animals and so shouldn't be against exploiting our advantages over prey in order to eat them for sustenance (or chocolate production/beer production/whatever). If anything you should be glad that the whole animal is being put to use. Skin to leather-making, flesh for food and now stomachs for chocolate-making Like going back to the old Native American ways! [img]littleicons/wink.gif[/img]

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[David Bean]

I think a lot of the meat-eaters on this thread have missed the point. I'm no vegetarian by any means, but I do think it makes sense to use some version of Occam's Razor: given that it's perfectly possible to produce substances with equivalent properties to rennet without adversely affecting the customer in any way, why would any sensible firm choose to do anything else, excluding those who've committed themselves not to eat meat?

A very similar issue comes from those foodstuffs whose lables intimate that they don't contain nuts, but may have been contaminated with them during production; essentially what that means is that they can't be bothered to institute proper production processes, with the effect that anyone with a nut alllergy is screwed.

Any arguments concerning efficiency and cost control, should these provide a reason for the anomalies, should be trumped by the determination a business ought to have to focus on the needs and wishes of all its customers, just as my business, the Co-operative Group, does. As it stands, this decision is a disgrace, and Mars should be ashamed of themselves.

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[Mehmsy]

Quoting David Bean from 23:17, 16th May 2007
Any arguments concerning efficiency and cost control, should these provide a reason for the anomalies, should be trumped by the determination a business ought to have to focus on the needs and wishes of all its customers, just as my business, the Co-operative Group, does. As it stands, this decision is a disgrace, and Mars should be ashamed of themselves.

Whoa now. A business/corporation/whatever's primary and only responsability is to its shareholders. Sure, companies should try and be eco-friendly and all that jazz; but at the end of the day they do that because it increases their customer base, or keeps from alienating groups.

So if it is cheaper for the company that produces all this food to use rennet and lose the custom of vegetarians, then they are absolutely validated in doing so. Their responsability is not to the individual consumer, but the masses.

Furthermore, what's the big deal? Just because they start putting this stuff into their candy bars doesn't mean more animals are going to get killed; and if they are... well, whoop-de-doo. Seriously. If you're going to be outraged, there's far more important things to be worried about than some stupid cow's innards being in some candy that's bad for you to begin with. This is why vegetarians piss me off. Billions of people are starving and there they sit, being sanctimonious about the food they're fortunate enough to have in front of them.

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[maenad]

Um, a lot of cheeses are vegetarian. I read an article which I think said 90% of cheese on supermarket shelves is vegetarian. Parmesan and other Italian hard cheeses are not suitable for vegetarians though.

Most vegetarians I know are not against eating meat because "it's not natural", but because they disagree with current farming methods, don't like not knowing what crap is in meat, etc. Comparing humans to animals is always a bit iffy in arguments too.

Edit: Mehmsy, just as Masterfoods not switching to rennet isn't going to 'save' any animals, being less picky about our food/avoiding 'sanctimonious' vegetarianism ain't gonna feed the starving children in Africa.

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[Mehmsy]

Quoting maenad from 23:38, 16th May 2007
Edit: Mehmsy, just as Masterfoods not switching to rennet isn't going to 'save' any animals, being less picky about our food/avoiding 'sanctimonious' vegetarianism ain't gonna feed the starving children in Africa.

Of course, but it feels like less of a double-standard. To me, at least.

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