SCOTLAND!!!

[garnet]

Quoting garnet from 22:13, 17th Nov 2007
reply to minira:the post above you is actually complaining about the Italians not getting a better score, if that's what you are referring to.

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[minira]

No, i was posting to those above that post.

Quoting garnet from 22:14, 17th Nov 2007

Quoting garnet from 22:13, 17th Nov 2007
reply to minira:the post above you is actually complaining about the Italians not getting a better score, if that's what you are referring to.

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[munchingfoo]

Dr Alex is not Scottish, and his opinion could therefore be regarded as impartial. To say that Scotland "lost fair and square" is perhaps a bit silly. I think the game play on the day justified a draw.

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[Super Jock]

I was at the match. Scotland had a shot (on target and out of the keepers range, i was behind the goal) blocked in the first 10 minutes by a hand ball, that wasn't given. Then the second goal was a hand ball, did you watch the highlights? Anything down from the shoulder is a hand ball. Perhaps ball to hand. But it was still used to an advantage to score a goal. Hence chopped off. Scotland then had to struggle to keep momentum up, despite persistent time wasting and persistent diving. Which was acknowledged at times by the ref, though never punished, I've seen players sent of for less time wasting.

Then the second goal. That lines man was the one so close to me, he'd rule everything the scots did a foul, even when the ref. didn't see it. It was him who gave the foul, as he was on top of the situation, and it was him who was closest to the hand ball that we only got a corner from. I think the ref was just bad. But that lines man was paid off. It's not exactly unlike the italians to do that. And everyone knows, even alex mcleish said that, Uefa give an advantage to top teams. It was a competition that we were never wanted at.

I'm proud to be scottish after our effort and I commend the italian coach for being fair in his judgment after the game, and finally acknowledging us as a good team that were more than lucky.


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[Griggsy]

There's outrageous claims and there's outrageous claims. Yes Italy dived, but which European team doesn't?

The Italian handball in the first ten minutes? Debatable, I've seen them given, but equally, Zambrotta didn't purposely move his arm in the direction of the ball, his hands were behind his back and defenders will always get the benefit of the doubt in those circumstances.

The Scottish goal was offside.

'But it was still used to an advantage to score a goal. Hence chopped off.'

What the fuck?

Which goal are you talking about - the Italian goal that got disallowed? It was nowhere near handball. And it wasn't offside.

As for your final comment - agreed it wasn't a foul, but the linesman got paid off? What planet are you living on? 'Even Alex Mcleish said UEFA favour the top teams.' Well if Alex McLeish said so it must be true eh?

draw was probably the fair result, but Italy had more shots on goal and Buffon didn't have to make any outrageous saves, whereas Gordon was called upon a couple of times.

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[Super Jock]

'Yes Italy dived, but which European team doesn't?'
OH shit, yeah that makes it right. Shut up.

He did, watch it, his arm leaves his body. And it stops a goal, i was right behind the goal when it it happened. Also it was perfectly in line with the lines man who didn't call it because his arm only worked in the second half.

Scotlands goal was offside, therefore it should have been disallowed also. But they should have had a penalty after 10 minutes. Which if scored could have made a huge change to the match. But should have makes no difference now.

I never said your disallowed goal was offside, I said it was a hand ball, and it was. I explained the rules to you, but given your reply you could do with me repeating myself. B-e-l-o-w the shoulder on the arm is a hand ball. Ok so it's not labeled "hand or arm ball" but that's an effort to say.

With regards to Alex Mcleish, managers get fined for making unjustified claims. I don't see him getting in any trouble do you?

Both teams could have won, one team did, a fair result would have been a draw, but then, that's just football. But I do believe that there was prejudice against scotland by the officials. That's all I'm saying.

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[Griggsy]

The Italy disallowed goal was never ever handball.

If youre the linesman, you'd never be able to tell if the ball had hit Zambrotta's chest or arm, because you're side on, which is the wrong angle to give the decision

And I'm not saying diving is right, just that it happens - it's been around in football for a long time now. there's little point moaning about it any more because unless you have video replays of every foul, then players will always get away with it. Scotland were naive in making tackles that we were always going to go to ground over. And it wasn't just Scotland who were on the end of some bad officiating!

Your aggressive talk rather sums up the way a lot of Scottish fans were acting yesterday. I even got harassed and pushed around by some fat boy on the way home after the game. Although clearly not very hard cos he gave up once I told him to fuck off. Anyone would have thought I was saying 'death to the Scottish football team'. I thought St Andrews was somewhere you could be safe from such idiots.

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[Super Jock]

It generally is, it's also not a good place to find a scotland fan. The sinner is a good place though to vent frustration, that's all. I'm sorry to hear some fan was being a dick. It is only a game. Though not everyone can see that.

Enjoy the tournament. We'll beat you in the world cup

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[Griggsy]

Fair enough - you can always get a good rant on the Sinner.

England don't deserve to qualify, but they probably will.

But you're right, it's only a game.

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[nighteyes]

With regards to st andrews being a place you can be safe from such things...st andrews has its fair share of neds, mostly locals but sometimes we import them in the form of students. For example I was witness to a peroxide blonde with an orange face shoplifting chocolate. No matter where you go there will always be arseholes.

Personally I am for shooting the lot of them.Neds, youbs whatever you call them. Every country has them and wishes they didnt.

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