winning a fight. a physical fight.

[d34]

whats the best way of winning a fight then?

shockingly, at 25, i've NEVER ever had one. not even at school. 0-0-0, 0 KO's.

why do i ask? the place i'm at is getting dodgy, and i want to be able to defend myself. and i don't want to use weapons, i want to take them out with my bare hands.

i remember someone suggesting jabbing the neck full on in the adams apple and this will floor them in no time. sounds pretty good. any other cool suggestions?

i dont think 'walking away' is too manly?

[Pacitti]

goin for the neck with your hand flat palm down fingers out works well, it called a spear hand for obivous reasons. only problem is you can actually kill people that way if you crush their windpipe.

generally speaking you want to punch with your first two knuckles. that is you want a straight line between your knuckles and shoulder. give the most impact and also lessens the chance of you snapping you wrist.

dunno why im giving his sort of advice but what the hell, i didn't learn kung fu for nothing.

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[fluffy]

you should always go for the groin in a scary situation. if your life is in danger this is no time to worry about honour-amongst-men. key rule:
think eyes, ears (at the same time), nose, throat, groin. no point hitting chest or stomach, so forget that.

BUT:-
in a dangerous situation think about your surroundings. make sure you're in a well lit area. if there are things you can use as weapons near by and you're feeling scared, take them into account.. i'm thinking keys, bin lids, sticks, sharp stones, pencils, a belt, anything that could possibly inflict pain.

Always shout fire and not help. shouting help causes people to run away, shouting fire, everyone wants to be the hero.

don't put yourself in a worse situation. using too much force could get you thrown in jail. if you pre empt, be prepared to answer why you attacked (you thought there was significant threat to your life) don't go down dark alleyways just to cut five minutes out of your journey.

be calm. if you panic, your reactions and movements become skewed, and you start hitting like you're a windmill. keep everything tight, don't leave any part of your body open to attack. but avoid a fight at all costs. if you think it's coming, cross the road. you can ONLY justify force if there is a strong risk to yourself or others around you.

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[Al]

Quoting fluffy from 22:42, 13th Dec 2007
if there are things you can use as weapons near by and you're feeling scared, take them into account.. i'm thinking keys, bin lids, sticks, sharp stones, pencils, a belt, anything that could possibly inflict pain.

No. No. No. For some reason this "advice" keeps coming up on here. The law does not allow people to carry objects to use in self-defence. The law only allows people to claim self-defence if they acted only to allow themselves to escape from harm. If you have the time to pick up items to use as weapons then you have the time to avoid a situation.

[Frank]

Quoting Al from 00:06, 14th Dec 2007

Quoting fluffy from 22:42, 13th Dec 2007
if there are things you can use as weapons near by and you're feeling scared, take them into account.. i'm thinking keys, bin lids, sticks, sharp stones, pencils, a belt, anything that could possibly inflict pain.

No. No. No. For some reason this "advice" keeps coming up on here. The law does not allow people to carry objects to use in self-defence. The law only allows people to claim self-defence if they acted only to allow themselves to escape from harm. If you have the time to pick up items to use as weapons then you have the time to avoid a situation.

Seconded. Weapons = no no. Life or death, sure, but there's consequences even in chosing life.

My main recommendation would be to practice your running skills. Running like a (very fast) girl (to be honest, I'd like to think I'd run in such situations, manly be damned [unless there's someone else about who I need to help]) is a reasonable way to escape harm. Being a fast runner regardless of your shoes is always handy.

A martial art that specialies in dodging and delfecting might well be worth looking into.

Winning the fight itself though? Survive, with as little injury as possible.

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[fluffy]

Quoting Al from 00:06, 14th Dec 2007

Quoting fluffy from 22:42, 13th Dec 2007
if there are things you can use as weapons near by and you're feeling scared, take them into account.. i'm thinking keys, bin lids, sticks, sharp stones, pencils, a belt, anything that could possibly inflict pain.

No. No. No. For some reason this "advice" keeps coming up on here. The law does not allow people to carry objects to use in self-defence. The law only allows people to claim self-defence if they acted only to allow themselves to escape from harm. If you have the time to pick up items to use as weapons then you have the time to avoid a situation.

Actually, yes. My mother is a police officer and I'm a karate teacher. If you're stuck in a situation you CANNOT escape from, and there is a bin lid next to you, FUCKING PICK IT UP. i don't mean randomly walk around carrying sticks and knives. but if you're being followed, and you take your keys out of your pocket (Because if you run, and they follow chase, you're going to need them) not only will it be quicker to get into your house, but they can inflict pain and you can claim you hadn't had them with the sole intention of hurting someone, and upon being attacked you didn't think for anything except your own safety and lashed out.
We've had several police officers at the academy who have advocated "safe" methods of self protection such as this.

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[fat bastard]

in my incredibly limited experience -

The first time, you will lose, because you can't prepare yourself for it and will almost certainly just shit yourself (maybe this is just because i always get started on by at least four people at once)

other good things i have learned/been told

very easy one to pull off - and i tried this a couple of months ago on the leading nutter in a group of people who beat my face liberally and it put him straight on his arse - is the uppercut to the stomach. An uppercut to the chin will knock someone out but you have to be quick as fuck and if you mess it up then you leave yourself open to a prison-style shanking. uppercut to the stomach is unexpected, with luck will wind them (allowing you to run like fuck as they won't be in any situation to follow/catch you) and at the very least causing them a great great deal of pain and to hunch over like a leper for a few minutes. ANd if you fuck it up you aren't exposed.

another classic is that scum always seem to try to kick you inthe upper leg for some unfathomable reason. Three times people have properly tried to end me this has happened, and i never thought of this and i've never done it but i saw my mate do it once, it was a piece of piss and just requires quick thinking and a disrepect for the codes of manhood. As they flail a leg up at you, just spin real fsat and with the other leg (the one they aren't kicking) ram it right up into their hilariously exposed groin. The sounds the guy produced were from the ninth circle of hell.

A final classic, which i am assured by the more insane of my acquaintances does totally work, is to properly square up to someone and start counting down from five. Don't rush it. When you get to two, turn and run like fuck. They won't be expecting it at all and the seconds that buys you mean you'll probably get away.

[munchingfoo]

One good way is to tell them they can have three free punches. Make sure they are aware that as soon as they land the third one they're gonna die.

P.S. this technique only works on people who can't kill you with one punch.

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[Mr_Big_Dave]

Quoting d34 from 10:21, 12th Dec 2007
whats the best way of winning a fight then?

If you have to ask then just avoid one at all costs.

Also winning a fight and defending yourself are two different things. If you can escape, then legally, you must do so (unless you are acting to protect a 3rd party).

In my opinion Jutsu is one of the best martial arts for day to day self defence purposes.

[fluffy]

if you hit the stomach, you better hope they have no muscles there. otherwise they'll just laugh at you.

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[Al]

Quoting fluffy from 09:56, 14th Dec 2007
Actually, yes. My mother is a police officer and I'm a karate teacher. If you're stuck in a situation you CANNOT escape from, and there is a bin lid next to you, FUCKING PICK IT UP. i don't mean randomly walk around carrying sticks and knives. but if you're being followed, and you take your keys out of your pocket (Because if you run, and they follow chase, you're going to need them) not only will it be quicker to get into your house, but they can inflict pain and you can claim you hadn't had them with the sole intention of hurting someone, and upon being attacked you didn't think for anything except your own safety and lashed out.
We've had several police officers at the academy who have advocated "safe" methods of self protection such as this.

What exactly is the relevance of the fact that you're a karate teacher? Are you talking about karate? And the fact that your mother is a police officer is neither here nor there if she is filling your head with nonsense.

A person would probably - depending on other circumstances - get away with using keys. But all of your other suggestions - sticks, stones, bin lids - are not only laughable but also potentially dangerous for anyone foolish enough to listen to you. Anything picked up to be used as a weapon could easily be taken away, and used, by the attacker.

[fluffy]

So you would advocate... what? Letting yourself be raped?
Don't you dare fucking insult my mother.

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[sweet]

Quoting d34 from 10:21, 12th Dec 2007
whats the best way of winning a fight then?

shockingly, at 25, i've NEVER ever had one. not even at school. 0-0-0, 0 KO's.

why do i ask? the place i'm at is getting dodgy, and i want to be able to defend myself. and i don't want to use weapons, i want to take them out with my bare hands.

i remember someone suggesting jabbing the neck full on in the adams apple and this will floor them in no time. sounds pretty good. any other cool suggestions?

i dont think 'walking away' is too manly?

Where are you? In what way is it dodgy? Either you're worried about someone taunting you so you feel you have to attack them, or you're worried about being mugged. Now, if it's the latter, join a self defence class and/or ju-jitsu, don't walk about with your earphones in, if at all possible run like fuck. This is only girly if undertaken in pink high heels and with failing arms. A knife in the belly isn't *particularly* masculine I believe. And if I were the girl with you when you decided to have a go at some chav who was yelling at you in the street using your version of any of the "moves" described here, I woudn't think you were manly. I'd think you were putting us both in danger in a stupid, juvenile manner, and I'd be fucking furious. Walking away is plenty manly.

[Senethro]

Quoting fluffy from 19:20, 14th Dec 2007
So you would advocate... what? Letting yourself be raped?
Don't you dare fucking insult my mother.

Your mother was clumsy.

[Al]

Quoting fluffy from 19:20, 14th Dec 2007
So you would advocate... what? Letting yourself be raped?

Of course not. But stopping to hunt for sticks or lids from dustbins is only go to put a person in more danger if they are being followed.

Don't you dare fucking insult my mother.

I didn't.

[d34]

thing i'm worried about is how far i'll go..sometimes i feel the urge to not just beat them but to go all the way and to not stop until i kill them. rage flicks on like a switch when provoked.

[Guest]

go for the nuts or the belly. If you get the nuts make sure you get them good and then peg it. IF you go for the belly then "wind" him so he is out of puff and then run. Fighting is not clever.

[Al]

Quoting d34 from 09:27, 14th Dec 2007
thing i'm worried about is how far i'll go..sometimes i feel the urge to not just beat them but to go all the way and to not stop until i kill them. rage flicks on like a switch when provoked.

Then it's probably best that you seek professional psychiatric help.

[Pacitti]

Quoting d34 from 09:27, 14th Dec 2007
thing i'm worried about is how far i'll go..sometimes i feel the urge to not just beat them but to go all the way and to not stop until i kill them. rage flicks on like a switch when provoked.

just avoid fights then, seriously if thats the way you feel about it then its not worth puting yourself in such situations.

Anger management?

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[Starla]

Quoting fluffy from 19:20, 14th Dec 2007
So you would advocate... what? Letting yourself be raped?
Don't you dare fucking insult my mother.

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Your mother is a hamster.

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