The men

[Alyssa]

Guys, relax! It's so not worth fussing over this like children!

If you guys have a problem, seriously maybe talk over it like adults. Who were the cocky ones? And I can see the other point of view, that it may be completely different people and we all have our own points of view!

I cannot believe 'Dr. Bute' forked out £100.00 to buy Mr. Regs. That was the highlight! Is he really rich or something?? he he, and agreed, he also does have the voice of an angel!! Anyone know his name?

Any other good events on this week? I know there's the gunge on thursday but no stripping in that one!

[Biitchboy]

[s]Unregisted User Alyssa wrote on 18:44, 18th Feb 2003:
Guys, relax! It's so not worth fussing over this like children!

Well maybe not, but its fun. And I think that justifies it. Besides if I use this anonymous electronic person on a messageboard as a scratching post if you will, it means I'm tearing up less furniture in the real world.


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If I gave a shit, you'd be the first person I'd give it to.

[Ashley]

As I'm from Regs, I know that Mr Regs (or Whippet) as we like to call him is a third-year medic as well as Dr. Bute (I think). I can't speak for him but maybe they're friends, is that enough?! It's is for charity after all.

By the way, he's not one of those complete wankers with egos that were way too big for their looks to justify... I'll say it again, it's for charity, jeez!


[hr]When two tribes go to war, a point is all that you can score

[Biitchboy]

I didn't say Whippet was an arrogant wanker. As I say, I didn't tar all of the contestants with the same brush. He was one of the funnier ones who I did not dislike.

Maybe if I type slower? Or with monosyllabic words? More of you will un-der-stand me? Not all of the Mr St An-drews con-test-ants were wan-kers. On-ly some of them were. And ev-en if you don't think that one per-son was a wan-ker, I may think diff-er-ent-ly. O-K?

[samanthad3]

I missed the show but I heard it was great... anyone got full names of some of the good contestants??? hehe flatmates are total players!!

[samanthad3]

Sorry I missed out on some previous posts! I apologize on my unfair comment on Bitchboy. now I understand. Sorry about that!!

What about a Miss St Andrews?! I am sure that will raise alot of money!!

[Cola Cube]

Ah but you see a Miss St Andrews would never be allowed as it is demeaning to women to appear in such an event. The uproar would be huge, and yet it's ok for the guys to do it.

Political correctness is the term.

[Prophet Tenebrae]

Yeah, stupid is another term.

I guess guy leering is less popular than girl leering ATM. There might also be hideously high numbers of equine yah girls in the competition - stomach churning, I'm sure you'll agree.

[Cola Cube]

Beyuch. Don't think my ears could stand the screeching of ya-language for 'I'm dead sexxy, look at my sexxy boady'.

[Biitchboy]

[s]Cola Cube wrote on 23:30, 18th Feb 2003:
Ah but you see a Miss St Andrews would never be allowed as it is demeaning to women to appear in such an event. The uproar would be huge, and yet it's ok for the guys to do it.


I was talking about this to my flatmate and she seems to think that the reason a Miss St A would be demeaning is because all the girls would act as if it were a beauty contest which would be demeaning, whereas the guys just look at it as a bit of a laugh. I don't know if that's a fair comment or not but it seems like a reasonable explanation.

Besides, it would just end up with the same girls showing off the same breasts that we've seen a thousand times before... not that that's necessarily a bad thing...

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If I gave a shit, you'd be the first person I'd give it to.

[Prophet Tenebrae]

Flashing would make it classier than a beauty pageant.

[Cola Cube]

Also the guys that attended would be mocked by those females not up on stage for leering and generally acting like men.

[Al]

The very first ever Mr St Andrews contest was held as part of the celebrations to commemorate 100 years of female students at the university. The link between the two is blindingly obvious, isn't it? God only knows how it became an annual event.

Yes it is sexist. Yes people made the point that the Union would not allow a similar girlie show to be held. Those points were rejected then.

Hypocrisy is the term, I believe.

And the money came out of the welfare budget. Money that could have been better spent on toilet rolls for Nightline!

[Cola Cube]

Perhaps it's just that in society in general women have more often been portayed or seen as sex objects/objects of affection. I doubt male prostitution started up as early as it's counterpart.

Thus, people are twitchier around subjects/events that could be said to be demeaning to women than they are around those that may be seen to be demeaning to men.

Also a woman would stand a better chance in a lawsuit as apposed to a man.

It's not fair but then it wasn't fair when the roles were reversed. The same can be said for many other touchy subjects - racism, homosexuality etc. When one side is at first more often persecuted than the other the balance is tried to be regained but more often than not slides in the other direction.

[Rennie]

Basically, i feel that Mr St Andrews, although hypocritical in that Miss St Andrews would be refused, is overall a good thing.

Firstly, it raises money for charity. Which can't be bad.

Secondly, I would say that 90% of the males taking part are 'having a laugh', and although they would like to win, it wouldn't kill them if they didn't

Thirdly, I think that men prefer being leered at by women than vice versa.

Fourthly (is that right??), some of the prettiest women i know in St Andrews would be too shy to enter, and it would be full of 'equine like' yah's - as someone pointed out earlier in this post.

Well, run out of reasons, so i'll cut to the chase. I think that Miss St Andrews, although probably more popular than Mr St Andrews, should not be held on the grounds that it is *more* demeaning for women than men to prance around on stage - in my opinion.

[Al]

Your first point is fair enough.

I am unsure as to your meaning in your second point. Do you mean to say that women would be somehow damaged by not winning? Surely women are just as capable as doing something for a laugh as men.

As for your other two posts, it depends on the individual.

But how would it be more demeaning for women to appear? Surely the choice should be up to them? If there is one thing, above all others, that does damage to "equality" is the suspicion of double standards.

[rae]

I think it's fairly safe to say that women are more concerned with body image type things than men are. If I were to get cut I would, despite being a relatively secure and intelligent person, wonder if it had to do with my body/face/hair/general sexiness. I think guys are less likely to think like that and think of it more as a lark.

What makes this fun is that it is a chance for women to leer at men openly and holler and yell at them. Sure, that's not exactly pc either but it is a change that can be fun for a night. I don't think you can debate that there are plenty of forums for men to ogle women, from magazines to ads to clubs. However, how often do we get to see men like that?

So yes, if you want to get technical it's a double standard, unfair, bla bla bla. But really, it's one night of the pendulum swinging the other way.

[Prophet Tenebrae]

So, maybe instead of Ms. St. Andrews we should have "Ms. Equine Yah" and then we could all go and laugh. That's not discrimination - that's good clean fun.

[rae]

agreed! let's do it!

[Guest]

Hi there,
Mr Bute is in fact a Mr Vincent Wong, also a 3rd year medic, who did the competition for charity.

I think people need to remember that it took a lot of balls for the contestants to stand up there and take part. Appreciate it for what it is - a money raising fun event. And you cynics can shut up. Get a life! Remember what its for...