Sheesh, calm down why don't you. I have nothing against those who do it for good reasons but when it is done for blatantly false reasons then yes, I find it amusing.
And why would I want to talk to them if they are that kind of person? I've known enough of those people already thank you.
Also, I do think it is wrong to do so even as a custom if you are aware that it may offend the other person. It's quite obvious that it is not a custom here as many people have already said.
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by Anon. on Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:53 pm
[s]Pussycat wrote on 15:47, 15th Sep 2003:
It's quite obvious that it is not a custom here as many people have already said.
But if someone were to go purely by observation people's interaction in, say, Market Street during term-time, it would be equally obvious that is *is* a custom here.
It's quite obvious that it is not a custom here as many people have already said.
But if someone were to go purely by observation people's interaction in, say, Market Street during term-time, it would be equally obvious that is *is* a custom here.
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:53 pm
[s]Pussycat wrote on 15:47, 15th Sep 2003:
Sheesh, calm down why don't you. I have nothing against those who do it for good reasons but when it is done for blatantly false reasons then yes, I find it amusing.
And why would I want to talk to them if they are that kind of person? I've known enough of those people already thank you.
Really? And how many of 'these' people have you talked to?
Also, I do think it is wrong to do so even as a custom if you are aware that it may offend the other person. It's quite obvious that it is not a custom here as many people have already said.
I agree, but surely what you are discussing is an act between two people who are obviously NOT offended by it. And what Eviltwin is discussing is an act between two people, of which he is neither, which he finds offensive!
What I am trying to point out (now in blunt mode) is that both your examples are not examples of the situation you are trying to discuss.
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Sheesh, calm down why don't you. I have nothing against those who do it for good reasons but when it is done for blatantly false reasons then yes, I find it amusing.
And why would I want to talk to them if they are that kind of person? I've known enough of those people already thank you.
Really? And how many of 'these' people have you talked to?
Also, I do think it is wrong to do so even as a custom if you are aware that it may offend the other person. It's quite obvious that it is not a custom here as many people have already said.
I agree, but surely what you are discussing is an act between two people who are obviously NOT offended by it. And what Eviltwin is discussing is an act between two people, of which he is neither, which he finds offensive!
What I am trying to point out (now in blunt mode) is that both your examples are not examples of the situation you are trying to discuss.
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by Pussycat on Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:58 pm
"those" people? No need to treat them like cattle, they're just not my cup of tea. At St Andrews? Over forty or so as my hall was full of them. In general though rather a few as some distant relatives happen to be like that.
And why would we be discussing it as an act between two people who are not offended? I was commenting on how I would feel if someone came up to me and did that - & I would be slightly offended. It is pretentious and annoying as someone else pointed out.
If other people are doing it then fine, but I can't help what I find amusing now can I?
And why would we be discussing it as an act between two people who are not offended? I was commenting on how I would feel if someone came up to me and did that - & I would be slightly offended. It is pretentious and annoying as someone else pointed out.
If other people are doing it then fine, but I can't help what I find amusing now can I?
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by Guest on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:09 pm
How can you tell what kissing someone on the cheek says about that person, from a distance. Unless you actually talk to them you have no idea where they come from, what their social standing is, or what their social aspirations are. Best not to see someone kissing someone on the cheek and automatically assume that they're false or shallow or whatever. It's just a quirk of behavior. Nothing more.
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by Caroline on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:10 pm
I'd just like to re-emphasise the point that someone made earlier about New Year! I am a Scottish girl (glasgow area) so everyday kissing with people that you don't know too well is a big no no!
The only time it ever happens in my life is within my group of very good male and female friends on birthdays etc.
But anyone a bit confused about this whole thing must understand that this all goes completely out of the window when the clock strikes 12 on Hogmany, when its time for everyone to pucker up! lol
Luv, Caz
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Ps. Another exeption to this seems to be at football matches when large groups of males seem to get unhealthily intimate with one another!!
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The only time it ever happens in my life is within my group of very good male and female friends on birthdays etc.
But anyone a bit confused about this whole thing must understand that this all goes completely out of the window when the clock strikes 12 on Hogmany, when its time for everyone to pucker up! lol
Luv, Caz
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Ps. Another exeption to this seems to be at football matches when large groups of males seem to get unhealthily intimate with one another!!
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:11 pm
[s]Pussycat wrote on 15:58, 15th Sep 2003:
And why would we be discussing it as an act between two people who are not offended? I was commenting on how I would feel if someone came up to me and did that - & I would be slightly offended. It is pretentious and annoying as someone else pointed out.
Really? Just commenting on how you feel if someone came up to you and did it?
I quote:
"Not when you actually grow up with people morphing from their old selves into sheep girl who emulate actual European people because they think it raises their social standing."
Sounds to me like a dig at yahs, not a comment on someone's feelings.
If other people are doing it then fine, but I can't help what I find amusing now can I?
Yes but you can help telling it to people (it's called tact), because unfortunately some people may think that you come across as a bit arrogant by dismissing the way a certain section of St Andrews society conduct themselves as 'laughable'.
Maybe 'sheep girl' has rubbed off on you more than you think...
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And why would we be discussing it as an act between two people who are not offended? I was commenting on how I would feel if someone came up to me and did that - & I would be slightly offended. It is pretentious and annoying as someone else pointed out.
Really? Just commenting on how you feel if someone came up to you and did it?
I quote:
"Not when you actually grow up with people morphing from their old selves into sheep girl who emulate actual European people because they think it raises their social standing."
Sounds to me like a dig at yahs, not a comment on someone's feelings.
If other people are doing it then fine, but I can't help what I find amusing now can I?
Yes but you can help telling it to people (it's called tact), because unfortunately some people may think that you come across as a bit arrogant by dismissing the way a certain section of St Andrews society conduct themselves as 'laughable'.
Maybe 'sheep girl' has rubbed off on you more than you think...
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by Pussycat on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:17 pm
I've kind of lost track of what your point is. If I had said straight out I would be offended if someone did that to me I would have been accused of not backing my opinion up with facts.
The facts are that I find people like that false. Therefore I would be offended if they were false to me. I would not be so offended by someone from the continent doing this and I would certainly not be impolite enough to snub them. And that would be the reason why I would be offended if someone like that greeted me in such a way. I can't speak for anyone else.
And I'm sorry if I find it amusing when two girls in market street yell "sweetie!" "dahling, how are you, I haven't seen you since last night" "my god!" followed by much screaming...because it is amusing. Greatly so. And I'm fairly sure I'm not the one sounding arrogant here.
The facts are that I find people like that false. Therefore I would be offended if they were false to me. I would not be so offended by someone from the continent doing this and I would certainly not be impolite enough to snub them. And that would be the reason why I would be offended if someone like that greeted me in such a way. I can't speak for anyone else.
And I'm sorry if I find it amusing when two girls in market street yell "sweetie!" "dahling, how are you, I haven't seen you since last night" "my god!" followed by much screaming...because it is amusing. Greatly so. And I'm fairly sure I'm not the one sounding arrogant here.
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by Neferet on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:21 pm
[s]Buzzboy wrote on 16:11, 15th Sep 2003:
Yes but you can help telling it to people (it's called tact), because unfortunately some people may think that you come across as a bit arrogant by dismissing the way a certain section of St Andrews society conduct themselves as 'laughable'.
This is a public message board, are we not allowed to say our opinions now?
There is a section of society in St Andrews that behaves like this and there is nothing wrong with finding it amusing. Most people have nothing against laughing at "neds" for example.
People seem not to be actually reading what others are saying. No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way. And it's funny.
It's called having a bit of fun, I can see that other people are incapable of this.
Yes but you can help telling it to people (it's called tact), because unfortunately some people may think that you come across as a bit arrogant by dismissing the way a certain section of St Andrews society conduct themselves as 'laughable'.
This is a public message board, are we not allowed to say our opinions now?
There is a section of society in St Andrews that behaves like this and there is nothing wrong with finding it amusing. Most people have nothing against laughing at "neds" for example.
People seem not to be actually reading what others are saying. No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way. And it's funny.
It's called having a bit of fun, I can see that other people are incapable of this.
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:26 pm
Yes, the point is you judge all these people by the same yard stick. You have said that:
"The fact is that you find these people false"
I was good freinds with a girl who said "sweetie" and "Daahhling" and hugged and kissed and wore pashmenas (sp?). She was one of the most considerate and genuine people I knew, there was nothing false about her. People may say 'well that's the exception that proves the rule' but how does anyone know that for sure?
I know it's hard not to be a judgemental person, but I think when it comes to yahs, the yah-bashers seem to revel in their intolerance. If you don't watch out you'll leave St Andrews with a big, fat chip on your shoulder.
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"The fact is that you find these people false"
I was good freinds with a girl who said "sweetie" and "Daahhling" and hugged and kissed and wore pashmenas (sp?). She was one of the most considerate and genuine people I knew, there was nothing false about her. People may say 'well that's the exception that proves the rule' but how does anyone know that for sure?
I know it's hard not to be a judgemental person, but I think when it comes to yahs, the yah-bashers seem to revel in their intolerance. If you don't watch out you'll leave St Andrews with a big, fat chip on your shoulder.
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by Pussycat on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:28 pm
I have nothing against yahs, as I don't call all posh people or those who wear pashmina's yahs. A yah implies an attitude not an amount of money.
Anyway, I don't seem to be the one with the chip on their shoulder and I will refrain from posting on this thread anymore. I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
Anyway, I don't seem to be the one with the chip on their shoulder and I will refrain from posting on this thread anymore. I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:34 pm
[s]Neferet wrote on 16:21, 15th Sep 2003:
[s]Buzzboy wrote on 16:11, 15th Sep 2003:[i]
This is a public message board, are we not allowed to say our opinions now?
There is a section of society in St Andrews that behaves like this and there is nothing wrong with finding it amusing. Most people have nothing against laughing at "neds" for example.
Oh please, when have I pronounced that people are not allowed to voice their opinions? Indeed I do so frequently. But how do we know that none of the users on this board are part of that social group. If somebody told you that they thought the way you behaved was 'laughable', you would find it rude and rather tactless, yes?
People seem not to be actually reading what others are saying. No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way. And it's funny.
OTT, in your opinion I assume. You know that these people are social climbers for sure, do you? Well if so, I stand corrected.
It's called having a bit of fun, I can see that other people are incapable of this.
Yes, that's what they used to call sexual harrassment too.
Yes, why don't we all laugh at people who we find funny. The guy with tourette's on the bus is very funny, I think I might go and laugh at him...
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[s]Buzzboy wrote on 16:11, 15th Sep 2003:[i]
This is a public message board, are we not allowed to say our opinions now?
There is a section of society in St Andrews that behaves like this and there is nothing wrong with finding it amusing. Most people have nothing against laughing at "neds" for example.
Oh please, when have I pronounced that people are not allowed to voice their opinions? Indeed I do so frequently. But how do we know that none of the users on this board are part of that social group. If somebody told you that they thought the way you behaved was 'laughable', you would find it rude and rather tactless, yes?
People seem not to be actually reading what others are saying. No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way. And it's funny.
OTT, in your opinion I assume. You know that these people are social climbers for sure, do you? Well if so, I stand corrected.
It's called having a bit of fun, I can see that other people are incapable of this.
Yes, that's what they used to call sexual harrassment too.
Yes, why don't we all laugh at people who we find funny. The guy with tourette's on the bus is very funny, I think I might go and laugh at him...
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:36 pm
[s]Pussycat wrote on 16:28, 15th Sep 2003:
I have nothing against yahs, as I don't call all posh people or those who wear pashmina's yahs. A yah implies an attitude not an amount of money.
Anyway, I don't seem to be the one with the chip on their shoulder and I will refrain from posting on this thread anymore. I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
And with that final blow of complete nonsense, she was gone.
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On the Seventh Day God said to Adam:
"Can I leave it with you?"
I have nothing against yahs, as I don't call all posh people or those who wear pashmina's yahs. A yah implies an attitude not an amount of money.
Anyway, I don't seem to be the one with the chip on their shoulder and I will refrain from posting on this thread anymore. I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
And with that final blow of complete nonsense, she was gone.
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by LeopardSkinQueen on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:39 pm
[s]Pussycat wrote on 16:28, 15th Sep 2003:
I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
I haven't seen anyone behaving like that on this thread.
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I have no wish to converse with someone who behaves in an overly agressive and negative manner.
I haven't seen anyone behaving like that on this thread.
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by Neferet on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:41 pm
How about turning this thread into a vendetta against one person trying to make them repeatedly explain their opinion? Those posts looks distinctly unfriendly, questioning all comments made and implying personal insults.
Not nice basically.
Not nice basically.
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by HQ on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:45 pm
Buzzboy: I have to agree with what pussycat said here, I've read through this thread and what I find is that people aren't against people who have posh accents or wear certain clothes, or kiss on the cheek etc. but rather are against social climbers... the kind of people who are friends with ppl because of what background they are from rather than who they are. These people I have to say are the worst kind in life, you have in one hand idiots who are violent, idiotic thugs, in the other you have social climbers. In the middle you'll find some decent people.
You Buzzboy appear to enjoy insulting valid opinions and acting like a prat, I'm not sure wether you fit in the right hand or the left. Maybe we should make a new category for pratts?
You Buzzboy appear to enjoy insulting valid opinions and acting like a prat, I'm not sure wether you fit in the right hand or the left. Maybe we should make a new category for pratts?
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:53 pm
[s]Neferet wrote on 16:41, 15th Sep 2003:
How about turning this thread into a vendetta against one person trying to make them repeatedly explain their opinion? Those posts looks distinctly unfriendly, questioning all comments made and implying personal insults.
Not nice basically.
Because I believe that opinion to be wrong and I didn't ask for it to be repeated it just carried on being repeated anyway.
You can't judge people on a certain character trait. Greeting people in a pseudo-european and OTT way does not mean that you are a social climber. And who cares? Do they make your life intolerable or something? I spent 4 years just accepting that some people were like that.
Implying personal insults: Yes maybe you could have intepreted that I thought that some people my find certain comments tactless and the writer of those comments could come across as arrogant. As for the neaderthal comment - make of that what you will.
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How about turning this thread into a vendetta against one person trying to make them repeatedly explain their opinion? Those posts looks distinctly unfriendly, questioning all comments made and implying personal insults.
Not nice basically.
Because I believe that opinion to be wrong and I didn't ask for it to be repeated it just carried on being repeated anyway.
You can't judge people on a certain character trait. Greeting people in a pseudo-european and OTT way does not mean that you are a social climber. And who cares? Do they make your life intolerable or something? I spent 4 years just accepting that some people were like that.
Implying personal insults: Yes maybe you could have intepreted that I thought that some people my find certain comments tactless and the writer of those comments could come across as arrogant. As for the neaderthal comment - make of that what you will.
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by Neferet on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:56 pm
[s]Buzzboy wrote on 16:53, 15th Sep 2003:
Greeting people in a pseudo-european and OTT way does not mean that you are a social climber.
Like I said, people don't seem to be actually reading the posts:
No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way
Bored now.
Greeting people in a pseudo-european and OTT way does not mean that you are a social climber.
Like I said, people don't seem to be actually reading the posts:
No one is saying that if you kiss someone on the cheek then you are automatically a social climber just that social climbers are the ones who do this in such an OTT way
Bored now.
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by Buzzboy on Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:57 pm
[s]HQ wrote on 16:45, 15th Sep 2003:
Buzzboy: I have to agree with what pussycat said here, I've read through this thread and what I find is that people aren't against people who have posh accents or wear certain clothes, or kiss on the cheek etc. but rather are against social climbers... the kind of people who are friends with ppl because of what background they are from rather than who they are. These people I have to say are the worst kind in life, you have in one hand idiots who are violent, idiotic thugs, in the other you have social climbers. In the middle you'll find some decent people.
You Buzzboy appear to enjoy insulting valid opinions and acting like a prat, I'm not sure wether you fit in the right hand or the left. Maybe we should make a new category for pratts?
That you for that totally pointless insult. Well done.
My point is that I got the distinct impression that people where judging people negatively because of a certain way they behaved. In my opinion they were judging books by covers.
As for the new category, you make the badges and we'll both wear one. Oops I think that was an insult.
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"Can I leave it with you?"
Buzzboy: I have to agree with what pussycat said here, I've read through this thread and what I find is that people aren't against people who have posh accents or wear certain clothes, or kiss on the cheek etc. but rather are against social climbers... the kind of people who are friends with ppl because of what background they are from rather than who they are. These people I have to say are the worst kind in life, you have in one hand idiots who are violent, idiotic thugs, in the other you have social climbers. In the middle you'll find some decent people.
You Buzzboy appear to enjoy insulting valid opinions and acting like a prat, I'm not sure wether you fit in the right hand or the left. Maybe we should make a new category for pratts?
That you for that totally pointless insult. Well done.
My point is that I got the distinct impression that people where judging people negatively because of a certain way they behaved. In my opinion they were judging books by covers.
As for the new category, you make the badges and we'll both wear one. Oops I think that was an insult.
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