The Scottish Standard

[AlenWatters]

Whilst standing in the queue at woolies today, content with my Record and Guardian I set my eyes upon Scotland's ONLY pro-independence newspaper - The Scottish Standard.

Now, it's only a weekly, and they've gone for a Daily Mail-type format, but surely cause for celebration? Not amongst other media outlets it seems. There's been no mention of it in any other papers (unsuprising), and more disappointingly on the BBC. Are they that scared of nationalists?

I've not been this excited about a newspaper since I last read the Daily Sport!I hope it lasts at least a month before going tits up.

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[Zombie Sheep]

I have seen a paid-for advert for it, Mr Watters, but that is all. I will see if I can get a hold of a copy later on, just to see what it promises.

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[amac]

Why would the BBC mention it anyway? It's not news, and they aren't going to promote a partisan newspaper, which unlike others, was presumably created for that very purpose of supporting the nationalist cause.

Just because it isn't getting a mention doesn't mean they're scared of you. They probably couldn't care less.

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[exnihilo]

Well, I certainly knew about it, if only because a friend of mine works for them. Can't say I'll be rushing out to buy it though. Not sure I really see the point given that pro-nationalist almost inevitably means patochial and inward-looking. Rather get a newspaper with news than an overt political agenda.

[Ga]

[s]exnihilo wrote on 19:03, 9th Mar 2005:
Rather get a newspaper with news than an overt political agenda.


Good luck. You'll need it.

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[Iain]

Was mentioned on the BBC Good Morning Scotland some time after 8?? this morning. Was too sleepy to pay much attention.

[exnihilo]

[s]Ga wrote on 19:17, 9th Mar 2005:Good luck. You'll need it.


Well, there's overt and there's overt. The Independent has served me just fine since it was launched.

[tintin]

I'll be going out to buy a copy. I'd be interested to see how well they do as the newspaper market must be quite saturated by now.

[Steveo]

I'll stick with The Telegraph.

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[Iain]

Can I take this opportunity, since a Scottish thread has arisen, to remind you all of the following:

March 24th
7.30 for 8
Alex Salmond, Leader of the SNP.
Speech to be followed by Q & A.
Lower Parliament Hall.
£3 entry (£2 with an SNP members card or member of SNPsoc)
Please e-mail snpsoc@st-andrews.ac.uk to reserve a ticket and everyone pays on the door.

Come along on the night if you can't be bothered reserving, we'll find a place for you!

[AlenWatters]

Not sure I really see the point given that pro-nationalist almost inevitably means patochial and inward-looking.


Deary me, I'm sure you know as well as I do that the Scottish National Party is not in any way inward-looking or parochial. Our brand of Nationalism is about looking beyond the decaying borders of Brittania, and stepping out into the world.

Although I do agree that the Standard will have to attian some degree of objectivity before anyone takes it seriously. I was always of the opinion that it would be better to somehow change one of the unionist papers from within, but I'd like to see it do well.

The standard of journalism within it is suprisingly high, and there's even a Tom Shields article about the wonderful island of Barra.

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[amac]

Quoting AlenWatters from 12:49, 10th Mar 2005

Not sure I really see the point given that pro-nationalist almost inevitably means patochial and inward-looking.

Although I do agree that the Standard will have to attian some degree of objectivity before anyone takes it seriously.

That will be hard considering it's origins. The problem they have in this situation is that non-SNP supporters are unlikely to become regular readers making the papers support mean very little.

[exnihilo]

[s]AlenWatters wrote on 12:49, 10th Mar 2005:
Deary me, I'm sure you know as well as I do that the Scottish National Party is not in any way inward-looking or parochial. Our brand of Nationalism is about looking beyond the decaying borders of Brittania, and stepping out into the world.


Really? Then I must have met hundreds of the wrong sort of nationalists. You really should do a better job of hiding the rabidly lunatic ones if you want your party to do well.

[Iain]

Pray name some rabid lunatics.....

[AlenWatters]

[s]exnihilo wrote on 13:13, 10th Mar 2005:
Really? Then I must have met hundreds of the wrong sort of nationalists. You really should do a better job of hiding the rabidly lunatic ones if you want your party to do well.


You seem to be totally ignorant of the party and its policies. So ignorant in fact, that it would be futile for me to list here the numerous reasons why this is not the case. You may be confusing us with the Scottish Labour Party, which uses these two devices almost as its raison d'etre.

So, could I ask your Mr Exnihilo to actually find a statement form any SNP MSP or MP that actually lends any sort of validity to your outdated stereotypes?

[ryan]

[s]exnihilo wrote on 13:13, 10th Mar 2005:


Really? Then I must have met hundreds of the wrong sort of nationalists. You really should do a better job of hiding the rabidly lunatic ones if you want your party to do well.



Hmmm, I have the opposite problem and keep meeting the wrong type of Unionist. How about we hide the crazy nationalists and you hide the crazy conservatives. I do believe your job will be far harder than mine.

[tintin]

I've bought and read the Standard today and must say I'm impressed. They are right in that Scotland does need more Scotland-centred press focus, but some of their rhetoric bordered on the hysterical at times. It wasn't cheap at 70p but was a good read and had some interesting articles. I would definitely buy it again or else read it online - at 10p more than my usual Torygraph it is a little dear.

[amac]

Quoting AlenWatters from 13:39, 10th Mar 2005
[s]exnihilo wrote on 13:13, 10th Mar 2005:
Really? Then I must have met hundreds of the wrong sort of nationalists. You really should do a better job of hiding the rabidly lunatic ones if you want your party to do well.


You seem to be totally ignorant of the party and its policies. So ignorant in fact, that it would be futile for me to list here the numerous reasons why this is not the case. You may be confusing us with the Scottish Labour Party, which uses these two devices almost as its raison d'etre.

So, could I ask your Mr Exnihilo to actually find a statement form any SNP MSP or MP that actually lends any sort of validity to your outdated stereotypes?

Actually, you seem to be the one missing the point - he didn't say the nationalists he was talking about were MP's or MSP's. I'm sure lots of your parties members are neither 'inward-looking or parochial', but I've definately met a few who are.

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Former St Andrews Students' Association President Nick Bibby is the Standard's business editor.

[Guest]

[s]exnihilo wrote on 13:13, 10th Mar 2005:
Really? Then I must have met hundreds of the wrong sort of nationalists. You really should do a better job of hiding the rabidly lunatic ones if you want your party to do well.


You obviously are rather ignorant of the party and its policies. It would be futile to point out the number of ways in which it is actually less 'inward looking and parochial' than even the Scottish Labour Party, which I would say relies on these factors as the basis of its constitutional policy, so I would just ask you if you could find any statement by any SNP MSP or MP which could actually back up what you are saying?

Do your homework, and please stop reverting to outdated stereotypes.