Chugger Off

[Humphrey]

http://www.bloodychuggers.co.uk

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[angel_kohaku]

Lol. I thought I was the only one that used this word.

They kinda piss me off, not as much as those fuckin' gourangas... grrr

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"we are the pretty, petty thieves"

[ezra]

yeah, i hate it when people ask me to donate money to charity . . .

[angel_kohaku]

I have nothing against charity, being involved with one, but they really don't get the message when you tell them you are broke/living off your overdraft.

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"we are the pretty, petty thieves"

[exnihilo]

Or when they walk backwards in front of you up Buchanan Street telling you that as you're well dressed you must be able to spare some money - and thus cause you to miss your bus to St Andrews. Hypothetically.

[Humphrey]

Quoting ezra from 21:38, 21st Nov 2005
yeah, i hate it when people ask me to donate money to charity . . .

Oversimplifying the opposition's position to make them seem morally bankrupt is such a wonderful technique isn't it.

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[Guest]

what position was I oversimplifying?

[Steveo]

If I want to give money to charity, I will, and I do give to some charities, such as the Poppy Appeal, and I would give to cancer research, but that's about it. I don't need someone on the street harrassing me for bank details.

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Not my ethics.

[ezra]

there's been an earthquake in asia, y'know

http://www.dec.org.uk/

[Steveo]

I don't see any real benifit from giving to an earthquake on the other side of the world.

Thanks to that tsunami and whatnot, an air ambulance had to be taken out of sercice in Cumbria because people stopped giving to causes at home. I'll stick to giving to causes that benifit me and people in my country.

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Not my ethics.

[Haunted]

I'm really starting to get tired of the guilt-trip society we seem to be living in.

As a consequence its almost become a competition to see who can donate the most money, wear the most wrist bands, stand silent in 'respect' for the longest, get the first signature in a book of condolences, leave the most flowers, shed the most tears, etc.

All for the wrong reason of trying to feel good about yourself and not for the cause.

[ezra]

I don't see any real benifit from giving to an earthquake on the other side of the world.

It saves lives, you muppet.

Two questions:

i. What do you think is the ground of your obligation to give money to charity? [e.g. is it that people need help? in virtue of what?]

ii. Why on Earth do you restrict your charitable donations to 'causes that benifit [sic] me and people in my country'? Why not just restrict it to people who live in your town, or in your street?

Or maybe you think that inhabitants of Asia aren't people, and don't deserve assistance. Of *course* 10 quid is going to be put to better use if you spend it on a round of drinks than if you donate it to the DEC. Those idiots might waste it on blankets, clean water, and shelter.

[ezra]

Haunted: it's not a guilt trip, ffs. It's about displaying some degree of humanity.

[Steveo]

I'd restrict my donations to help only people I care about, e.g my family and friends if I could.

I don't care about saving lives on the other side of the world when people in my county are dying.

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Not my ethics.

[flarewearer]

Quoting ezra from 14:57, 22nd Nov 2005
ii. Why on Earth do you restrict your charitable donations to 'causes that benifit [sic] me and people in my country'? Why not just restrict it to people who live in your town, or in your street?

because it is just natural for people to want to look out for them and their own, than to someone they don't know exists, shall never meet and who may never get the money anyway for all they know.

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[ezra]

steveo:

I don't care about saving lives on the other side of the world when people in my county are dying

Why? Are the lives of people in this country worth more than the lives of people on the other side of the world? Is it better to save one person in Britain or twenty people in Pakistan?

Flarewearer: ah, the old 'because it is natural' argument. It is fallacious. It is equally natural for people to bully, assault, lie, and in some cases rape, others. It doesn't make it right. You are confusing explanation with justification; I was asking for a justification.

[exnihilo]

Steveo is right, people only have so much to give to charity and, speaking for myself, if it's a choice between medical research and helping our war veterans and the RNLI or sending money to somewhere else (where it'll likely be siphoned off by a corrupt regime), I know which one I do. Money is now not being given to local charity here, and it's a cause for concern.

Anyway, if it was about showing real humanity, ezra, you'd quit your cushy funded postgraduate degree that you really don't need and go and help in the starving or disaster struck areas of the world.

Naturally, you'll have a clever philosophical argument for why that's the wrong choice.

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[Steveo]

Why? Are the lives of people in this country worth more than the lives of people on the other side of the world? Is it better to save one person in Britain or twenty people in Pakistan?

This isn't about assigning value to life, but just my preference when it comes to who I chose to save, and my sense of place and belonging makes me chose my own people over others.

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Not my ethics.

[Senethro]

Thread hijack detected!

[Tweedle-Dum]

Unfortunately I'd rather save my mother than 5 people I've never met in my life, because to me, they don't exist.

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