Classic Knock Back from the Offy

[thePontificator]

Quoting Lid from 00:42, 29th Apr 2006

Quoting thePontificator from 20:06, 28th Apr 2006complain to the company rather than rant at the shop assistant.

This is why I said Thresher Group would get a strongly worded letter.

Also, don't you fucking dare say that they have a choice and could use their better judgement, it's a bloody wine shop

Well, before the profanities fly, maybe you could quote me correctly.

My point was as follows: If I show government ID, as they state in their company policy that they accept, and it is in the style of government ID (in this case a photographic driving licence, which I did show), then it is not their fault if it were later found to be fake. It is my fault a) on fraudulent terms, and b) the person behind the counter did not have reasonable doubt to believe it was not real (seeing as it *is real*, they wouldn't have reason to doubt it).

Again, if you quote me correctly, and see I'm complaining to Thresher Group, there'll be no need to post profanities against me.

I feel, that, seeing as many students can't afford, or have no interest in, passing their driving test, and as passports are far too valuable to take down to the local offy to buy booze, we boycott them, and move to Luvians.

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If I was going to post something referring to something that you have said, i would have either used your name or quoted you. I was merely making a point in general. And if I can quote myself, I believe I use the phrase 'so if you're going to complain, do as some of you have been doing and complain to the company rather than rant at the shop assistant' so to assume I'm having a go at you seems to suggest that you haven't actually read what I'm saying.

And as for using profanity, swearing is part of the English language, and a very versatile part it is too.




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'I bet you a florin that the chap will turn out guilty.'
'I bet you a dubloon that you win that bet.'

[Lid]

I was merely pointing out that if you had quoted me correctly, you would see that my point was not to demand service, but to question the basic principle of Thresher Group on holding this policy.

It is by no means *any* part of British retail law for someone to be oblidged to serve you. However, I'd much prefer something with more substance than "But your piece of paper is green which makes it less real than a pink piece of paper of exactly the same security features"

I simply questioned the shop keeper, as to why this policy was viable, to which no adequate response was given.

As for swearing, only sometimes is it a necessary part of the British language, most often when frustration cannot be expressed in words. I trust you did not feel this level of frustration with my post.

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[thePontificator]

I didn't even quote you, I didn't intend to quote you. At no point in my life prior to you thinking I was talking about your post had I any intention of quoting you. How can I quote you correctly or even wrongly if I'm not quoting you in the first place?

This is the point where you get slightly embarassed and we move on with our lives.

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'I bet you a florin that the chap will turn out guilty.'
'I bet you a dubloon that you win that bet.'

[Lid]

Or I just very slowly roll my eyes and make the finest of distinctions between "quote" and "make reference to" to appease you.

Edit to correct horrid spelling at this ungodly hour

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[Lid]

Double post..

[Cain]

Quoting Lid from 02:17, 29th Apr 2006
As for swearing, only sometimes is it a necessary part of the British language, most often when frustration cannot be expressed in words.

Is it me, or does this not make sense?

Swear words are (usually) the vocalisation of frustration, so how can they be used when you can't put your frustration into words?

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[Sid]

The one that really annoys me is Alldays. Twice now I've been refused a lottery ticket because I didn't have ID. Apparently even though you have to be 16 to play the lottery you have to look over 21 to get a ticket. The logic isn't really there's though. I'm 24 and I've been going in there for ages and everyone else gives me a lottery ticket but not this one woman. Very frustrating.

[theflirt]

Quoting Sid from 11:53, 29th Apr 2006
The one that really annoys me is Alldays. Twice now I've been refused a lottery ticket because I didn't have ID. Apparently even though you have to be 16 to play the lottery you have to look over 21 to get a ticket. The logic isn't really there's though. I'm 24 and I've been going in there for ages and everyone else gives me a lottery ticket but not this one woman. Very frustrating.

seriously?! that is ridiculous!!!
tbh i think they just pick on certain people for that day! When I worked in a bar in a hotel, the guys I was working with used to pick people at the beginning of the night who they were going to ID, normally people looking under 18 tho!

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[Kegrad]

Is it just me that gets offened when they're not asked for ID? I quite like thinking I look younger than 21! (I'm only 20!)

[Sid]

When you don't have ID it's like they immediatley knew they were right so they treat you like a juvenille.

[Bonnie]

Pretty soon, (as I have been informed), it will be illegal to carry your passport around unless you are coming to or from abroad. So you won't be able to use that in a bottle shop either.

It's probably the government's way to justify needing an identification card system.

I have an American ID card-- it's from the same department as driving licenses, I had to wait in the same line to get it, but because I don't have a driving licence I have this ID card. Why doesn't the government just introduce those for now-- so that people who are not allowed to drive, for whatever reason, still have an official/ can't be faked identification card? Then, when the populace gets used to them, the government can just tack on the other uses it wants little by little and noone would notice or care. That's how you fool the populace into doing something it wouldn't want otherwise.

Quoting flarewearer from 17:54, 17th Oct 2005
How is it easier to fake an provisional than a full driving licence? they are the same thing, just different colours. Apart from my passport, which i amnt stupid enough to carry around with me, its the only form of ID i carry.

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[munchingfoo]

Quoting Sid from 14:16, 29th Apr 2006
When you don't have ID it's like they immediatley knew they were right so they treat you like a juvenille.

Yeah - thats the one thing that gets me. It's all very well and good saying that it's the company's policy and not the staff but the staff should always be polite and helpful even if you have no ID.

I have seen some staff look like they just won the lottery when they ask for ID and the person doesn't have any.

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[Bonnie]

Now here's another "I'm American, learn from us" thing.

Why doesn't every card have on the back a little swipe strip and then anyone who needs to check the vailidity of a card swipes it through a machine and a database tells them whether its real?
The swiper and the machine doesn't need to be given any information at all except "this is a real card and it is for someone who is __ years old".
Almost (if not all) states in the US have them. It was invented because people would fake cards from other random states, knowing the bartenders wouldn't be able to keep up with all 50 states' designs. This way they swipe and know for certain that it is a real card from some state out in the middle of nowhere.
Provisionals can have them too.

And did I ever tell you all about getting carded in Tesco when I WASN'T buying alcohol?!
My friend was behind me in the queue with her basket which had a bottle of wine in it. They guy insisted on checking MY age! I did try to say that that wasn't right because I had nothing to do with someone else's purchase, but the queue was getting longer and longer and I was holding it up. In the end I showed him my Connecticut ID and he couldn't figure out what it was.

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[Bonnie]

Just read through the rest of the posts and realised there is something like this in place-- but why don't they use them. Provisional IDs are thus just as fake-proof!

But what about people who never will/want to/ whatever get into the driver's seat of a car? I think even 10 year olds should get these, if their parents want them but when they scan through- the screen says-- this person is 10 years old.
And then if it is screened through and the person is too young and the person behind the coutner gives it to them anyway (as has been described in this thread), then the person behind the counter gets in trouble-- why have a law if the person behind the counter just says they need to be seen to be following it on a silent security camera?

Whatever-- I've got an ID that works.

Quoting Bonnie from 18:06, 29th Apr 2006
Now here's another "I'm American, learn from us" thing.

Why doesn't every card have on the back a little swipe strip and then anyone who needs to check the vailidity of a card swipes it through a machine and a database tells them whether its real?
The swiper and the machine doesn't need to be given any information at all except "this is a real card and it is for someone who is __ years old".
Almost (if not all) states in the US have them. It was invented because people would fake cards from other random states, knowing the bartenders wouldn't be able to keep up with all 50 states' designs. This way they swipe and know for certain that it is a real card from some state out in the middle of nowhere.
Provisionals can have them too.

And did I ever tell you all about getting carded in Tesco when I WASN'T buying alcohol?!
My friend was behind me in the queue with her basket which had a bottle of wine in it. They guy insisted on checking MY age! I did try to say that that wasn't right because I had nothing to do with someone else's purchase, but the queue was getting longer and longer and I was holding it up. In the end I showed him my Connecticut ID and he couldn't figure out what it was.

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[Lid]

Quoting Bonnie from 17:49, 29th Apr 2006
Pretty soon, (as I have been informed), it will be illegal to carry your passport around unless you are coming to or from abroad. So you won't be able to use that in a bottle shop either.

I wouldn't carry my passport, unless I were about to leave the country. Passports are international ID, whereas driving licences are european at best.

It's probably the government's way to justify needing an identification card system.

What?! You mean our government would introduce legislation to make their already passed legislation look now legitimate. Burn the heretic.

Bonnie: I have a provisional driving licence. This is issued by the DVLA. They are issued precisely the same as full driving licences, save for one is printed on green, one is printed on pink. There are no changes in security features, each has the same security.

Now here's another "I'm American, learn from us" thing.

Why doesn't every card have on the back a little swipe strip and then anyone who needs to check the vailidity of a card swipes it through a machine and a database tells them whether its real?

Now here's a "We're british, learn from us" technique. How much will that cost?! The rollout even in this size of country would be tremendously high. In the UK, we have one State, the crown state, thus it is not necessary, because, all DVLA driving licences look the same. All it needs is for someone to put it under UV light.

Just read through the rest of the posts and realised there is something like this in place-- but why don't they use them. Provisional IDs are thus just as fake-proof!

PRECISELY the same security features, one is printed on green, one is printed on pink.

But what about people who never will/want to/ whatever get into the driver's seat of a car? I think even 10 year olds should get these, if their parents want them but when they scan through- the screen says-- this person is 10 years old.

Driving licences are for people eligible to drive (ie those over 16, 17 for cars). 10 year olds can't drive. Let's not create an argument that is pro-ID Cards here...

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[thePontificator]

You quoted her wrong.

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'I bet you a florin that the chap will turn out guilty.'
'I bet you a dubloon that you win that bet.'

[Lid]

I simply put it in an English context.

Do I feel I'm wasting my time with you and would rather wind my head slowly through a mincer?

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[thePontificator]

Now you're quoting me wrong too. Tsk.

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'I bet you a florin that the chap will turn out guilty.'
'I bet you a dubloon that you win that bet.'

[maenad]

Quoting Bonnie from 17:49, 29th Apr 2006
Pretty soon, (as I have been informed), it will be illegal to carry your passport around unless you are coming to or from abroad. So you won't be able to use that in a bottle shop either.

What the hell? Why would it be illegal to 'carry your passport around'? I will be screwed until we get our Big Brother cards then, because I don't see why I should shell out for a provisional driving licence that some places don't even accept.

[Lid]

Quoting thePontificator from 01:34, 30th Apr 2006
Now you're quoting me wrong too. Tsk.

Touché. Tell it to your king.

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