National Anthem

[LonelyPilgrim]

David,

re. Confederate flag

There are five flags that have a claim to being 'the' Confederate flag. However, only three of them were ever official national flags:

1. The Stars and Bars: Three horizontal stripes or bars: red, white, red. The staff side of the flag is a blue field from top to bottom, with a circular pattern of stars, one for each seceding state. This is the Stars and Bars, and the flag you are referring to as difficult to distinguish from the US flag, on the battlefield.

2. The Stainless Banner: A white flag, with a red field in the staffside upper quarter, blue st andrews cross in the field with the stars on the cross, ie... a white flag with the popular notion of the 'confederate flag' in the corner. This is the flag I mentioned above was very ill suited to use on the battlefied because it was often confused for a flag of surrender, being mostly white.

3. The last flag was adopted near the end of the war in 1865, I can't remember it's name right now. It was the Stainless Banner, only with the 1/5th of the flag away from the staff being coloured red. It's an odd looking flag.

Those three flags are the only three flags that can properly be called the Confederate Flag. The other two flags, improperly called Confederate Flags are the Naval Jack and the Battle Standard... both adopted, I think, in 1862, partly due to the inadequacies of the Stainless Banner for use in war.

The Battle Standard is a square flag, red background, blue St Andrew's Cross being stars, all with a white border. Occasionally with a gold border.

The Naval Jack is a normally proportioned flag (ie. 1.5 to 1 length to height) red, blue St Andrews cross bearing stars.

Neither the Battle Standard nor the Naval Jack were ever adopted as national flags, and as such are only flags of their respective branches of the armed services.

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[LonelyPilgrim]

David,

re. Confederate flag

There are five flags that have a claim to being 'the' Confederate flag. However, only three of them were ever official national flags:

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[big_phil]

Scotland should keep using their national anthem, as should Ireland and Wales.
However, I wish we (the English) would use OUR national anthem instead of god save the queen, which is the national anthem of the UK-not England. Or is it because none of you know that our national anthem is land of hope and glory?

[Odysseus]

[s]big_phil wrote on 09:47, 9th Mar 2005:
Scotland should keep using their national anthem, as should Ireland and Wales.
However, I wish we (the English) would use OUR national anthem instead of god save the queen, which is the national anthem of the UK-not England. Or is it because none of you know that our national anthem is land of hope and glory?


I think its great that after 300 years of Scottish oppression, the English are now free to express themselves as a nation.

Seriously though, God Save the Queen is the most embarrasing dirge of a national anthem - surely a NATIONAL anthem should be about the nation, not just an individual?
Best national anthems - French, Brazilian and Irish.

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Walk into the bright lights of sorrow, oh drink a bit of wine and we both might go tommorow, my love...

[kas48]

[s]flarewearer wrote on 17:20, 8th Mar 2005:
[s]kas48 wrote on 17:08, 8th Mar 2005:[i]
i would make the effort if i wasn't talking mostly to a load of wan***s who spend their whole lives on the Sinner Chatroom bitching about me. it is not worth the bother justifying myself to you and your lousy virtual friends.


1/ say Wanker, swearing is fun
2/ virtual in what way? we all meet up and go drinking together etc., the chatroom is just a convenient way to keep in touch.
3/ if you want to come into the chatroom and try desperately to get laid then is it any wonder people take you at face value?

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You need butter, milk and cheese, and an equilateral chainsaw.[/s]
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i don't want to get laid by just anyone, and saying i do is just me having a laugh. three times i came into the chatroom under an assumed name, and found you talking about me. obviously i am that special. need i mention the thread by zombie_sheep with the poll, which has since disappeared??

[Smith]

i don't want to get laid by just anyone

Oh, I think you do. And when it happens we will all rejoice.


3 times i came into the chatroom under an assumed name, and found you talking about me. obviously i am that special. need i mention the thread by zombie_sheep with the poll, which has since disappeared??


You came in 3 times because you were kicked twice.



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I tried thinking of an innovative witty remark, but could only come up with this...

[Steveo]

Quoting big_phil from 09:47, 9th Mar 2005
Scotland should keep using their national anthem, as should Ireland and Wales.
However, I wish we (the English) would use OUR national anthem instead of god save the queen, which is the national anthem of the UK-not England. Or is it because none of you know that our national anthem is land of hope and glory?

There need only be the one anthem, that of the United Kingdom.

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[s]Strangers passing in the street....by chance two seperate glances meet[/s]

[Prophet Tenebrae]

[s]kas48 wrote on 15:04, 9th Mar 2005:

i don't want to get laid by just anyone, and saying i do is just me having a laugh. three times i came into the chatroom under an assumed name, and found you talking about me. obviously i am that special. need i mention the thread by zombie_sheep with the poll, which has since disappeared??


That's because we know what your IP is - so when you come in we go "Hi Greece!"

[kas48]

[s]Prophet Tenebrae wrote on 16:30, 9th Mar 2005:
[s]kas48 wrote on 15:04, 9th Mar 2005:[i]

i don't want to get laid by just anyone, and saying i do is just me having a laugh. three times i came into the chatroom under an assumed name, and found you talking about me. obviously i am that special. need i mention the thread by zombie_sheep with the poll, which has since disappeared??


That's because we know what your IP is - so when you come in we go "Hi Greece!"
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you didn't know it was me until i told you.

[kisskiss]

My goodness, I was only gone for a few days and look what I've missed! May someone please fill me in on what's going on? what's all this madness about?

[exnihilo]

[s]Steveo wrote on 16:23, 9th Mar 2005:There need only be the one anthem, that of the United Kingdom.


And when constituent parts of the UK play one another at sporting events? Or when one part is represented abroad in something but is not representing the UK as a whole? Be sensible. As has been said, one anthem for the UK and a song for wach constituent part, which means England needs to adopt one and stop acting as though it is the UK.

And this is being said by someone who is very pro the Union and in no way anti-English.

[LonelyPilgrim]

Indeed the States have their own songs... Here's mine:

'Round my Indiana homesteads wave the cornfields,
In the distance loom the woodlands clear and cool.
Oftentimes my thoughts revert to scenes of childhood,
Where I first received my lessons, nature's school.
But one thing there is missing in the picture,
Without her face it seems so incomplete.
I long to see my mother in the doorway,
As she stood there years ago, her boy to greet.

[CHORUS]

Oh, the moonlight's fair tonight along the Wabash,
From the fields there comes the breath of newmown hay.
Through the sycamores the candle lights are gleaming,
On the banks of the Wabash, far away.

Many years have passed since I strolled by the river,
Arm in arm, with sweetheart Mary by my side,
It was there I tried to tell her that I loved her,
It was there I begged of her to be my bride.
Long years have passed since I strolled thro' there churchyard.
She's sleeping there, my angel, Mary dear,
I loved her, but she thought I didn't mean it,
Still I'd give my future were she only here.

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Itn't that sweet? My advice, come up with something better...

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[big_phil]

England doesn't need to adopt an anthem-it already has one for when UK countries play each other.

[Odysseus]

[s]big_phil wrote on 18:10, 10th Mar 2005:
England doesn't need to adopt an anthem-it already has one for when UK countries play each other.


Why doesn't England have it's own sense of independance from Scotland?



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Walk into the bright lights of sorrow, oh drink a bit of wine and we both might go tommorow, my love...