Yes try explaining that to a librarian who's asked you to leave. "Oh but Mr Gunderson rules aren't absolute, have exceptions, are flexible, blah blah blah don't taze me bro".
Frank wrote:I don't think you understand. If they're rule-breaking get up, tell them to quit it or go and report them. Or come here and moan, sound ignorantly inflexible and be ridiculed.
The only ridiculous thing here is the tripe some people think constitutes an excuse to ruin the library for everyone. I don't think you understand. Me coming here and moaning isn't a course of action. I said it was a rant. If someone does something that breaks the rules I do go up and ask that they stop, I only posted here as both an outlet for a bit of frustration and to make it apparent to perpetrators who may look here that certain things are bang out of order. As for being ignorant well I am familiar with the library's code of conduct and what it means for a rule to be followed, not something I can say anyone else on here it seems. Ironic that you call me ignorant in your ignorance.
Frank wrote:Incorrect, unless we're going down the "Only my view is that of someone who has a grasp of manners and consideration!" (No True Scotsman?) route. It's fairly obvious that exceptions are made to rules. Unpalatable? Well, perhaps it is. Unfortunately some folks, and get this: this is astounding!, some people get into the library without showing their card!
If you choose to interpret me as someone arrogant enough to think only they have a grasp of manners then that's your interpretation but one I must say which is quite the opposite of my intent. Grasping rules however, or the inability to grasp a rule is what I have a problem with. Saying there are exceptions to rules is a ludicrous cop out especially since the example of someone not showing their card isn't an example of someone being an exception to a rule. They flaunted a rule and got away it...did it matter? No. Does it matter when people are disruptive to others? GET THIS: Yes. ZOMG!
Frank wrote:Folks might not have comfortable workspaces at home/in their room and desire to use somewhere with a larger desk area, but they find it almost impossible to work in silence (earplugs), or idle-silence (the quiet of a library is, unfortunately, filled with insurmountable distractions, for me).
Not an excuse to fill the library with their selfish 'desire' for a break in silence. A library is supposed to be a silent place whether you like it or not. It's not there to accommodate your preferences as much as it is for mine, unfortunately for you my preferences are in keeping with the library's own rules.
Frank wrote:I think the view that "Rule breaking=evil" is the obviously wrong one....
Hyperbole leading to a cop out argument.
Delts wrote:And what's stopping you from working at home in your own silence? Why do I have to work at home since I have an iPod: "I shouldn't have to. No one should have to."
Again. I am following the rules. You are not. I, nor others, should have to accommodate you just because you disagree with them. I choose not to work at home because I want a place of quiet which is what a library IS. What it is NOT is an extension of your home, a place which is NOT a designated quiet public place. Learn the difference.
Delts wrote:I've also never seen a sign stating that my iPod is not permitted, this could be my own blindness but if I'm missing it then there is something up with where the rules are posted.
I don't know if there is a sign up, I have only seen signs for quiet and prohibiting food & drink. But the rules are on the website for all to read. Nevertheless, I might add, it should just be common sense if you give a damn about the people around you. Oh which brings me to..."Oh, and in the ways of you implying that I am selfish, I imply that you incensed library user are a passive aggressive idiotic twat". You are selfish and if the title of twat should be childishly and disproportionately levelled at anyone here then congratulations on proving yourself worthy. I didn't antagonise you but I don't think anyone really needs to in order to bring the tit out in you but hey if you're going to base your 'argument' on saying "Fuck you I'll do what I want" then YES you are selfish. Please rid your vagina of all sand before posting on the Sinner.
starsandsparkles wrote:It can't be that hard to find somewhere more suited to your needs.
My needs are not specialised or even exclusively mine. They reflect rules already set in place. People shouldn't have to avoid somewhere because others disregard how to properly use the library, c.f. shit-in-pool-argument
Abserdman wrote:starsandsparkles wrote:There are numerous computer rooms.
This. Exactly this. Off the top of my head there are computers in...walk somewhere else!
I know, thanks! This does not need pointing out. But I disagree (and I don't think I'm alone here) with the idea that work doesn't prioritise over non-work. Firstly, you're at university, IN a university building, built for the PURPOSES of work and you choose to check Facebook (assuming that's all they're doing). Whether I have a last minute essay or want to write the whole thing from the beginning doesn't matter. My education/degree is more important than your social networking. That's why I shouldn't have to bugger off somewhere else. It's easier, politer and justifiable that YOU should be the one to leave.
Hennessy wrote:Rules are more fun when they're bendy.
There's nothing fun about a normal library user having to put up with your disregard for others. You're having fun. I have work to do. You sacrifice your 'fun' the moment you enter a place for quiet study. The moment the library changes it's rules I'll be quite happy to fuck off somewhere else but then the library wouldn't really be a library any more.
Hennessy wrote:I agree with Frank, in his legendary stint as DRA's teaboy/assistant bitch he broke plenty of rules, and no-one came to harm, and nobody likes a complainer because you sir, are bringing everyone down
Oh noes! The square is bumming out all the dudes who just wanna chill in the library. How will I sleep tonight?
Just because someone gets away with something doesn't mean their actions are justified. You piss people off and don't get any flak for it doesn't make you any less of a wanker. If you didn't piss anyone off there wasn't anyone there who gave a shit about the rules.
I'm sure most of you do follow these but please if you see any people doing this, tell them nicely that they're breaking the rules, because there's no reason why the rest of us should be expected to put up with this.
